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     New Cybermen - Opinion    
     Author:  Rassilon
     Dated:  Sunday, December 04 2005 @ 02:19 PM EST
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    EditorialsThe new Cybermen are great looking... ROBOTS! Let's look at what it is to be scary: a completely machine robot can be scary but what would have been better is the machine/human amalgam - the flesh poking through, a la the Borg. What made the original Cybermen great was not the idiotically huge equipment they carried, but the fact that the only thing hiding the rotting corpse underneath was a thin cloth. Back then they hadn't the budget so they made do with what they had and came up with a truly disturbing image. Now, they make these giant what? ROBOTS. They do not show any human elements. That might be cool looking, but what is missing is the completely disconcerting image of human parts meshed with machine.
    I am sure we'll all love the new Cybermen for what they are: villains, but to me, there is little scary about their look. No more than the Lost in Space robot would have instilled terror. Now a thing mostly machine with nearly dead human attributes sticking through... that would be the stuff of nightmares!
    Mike Loschiavo
    AKA Rassilon



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    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: tarashnat on Sunday, December 04 2005 @ 05:22 PM EST

    It all depends on how they a written in the script. Whether their illogical plans are rubbish, like during most of the Troughton and Tom Baker stories, or whether they act in a logical ruthless manner that is more terrifying and inhuman than any physical form can convey by itself. These new Cybermen look similar to another popular cyborg—Robo-Cop: another human(oid) cheating death with mechanical implants. The Cybermen never really revealed their "flesh" in the classic series. They always considered their flesh a weakness. I am holding out my full opinion on the new Cybermen until I see them on screen, but the new versions do invoke many elements of the earlier incarnations.

    Taras

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    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: seanhuxter on Sunday, December 04 2005 @ 08:21 PM EST
    Aren't you assuming a lot here?

    For all we know, we will see scenes of the "men" underneath the facade of the Cybermen.

    I remember watching "The Black Hole" and how much creepier the robot crew was after we saw what was underneath.

    First of all, the Borg are a direct rip-off of Cybermen, and I'd hate to see Cybermen begin to resemble Borg visually.

    I think it simply has to be established (and I think it pretty much as) that the Cybermen are cybernetic humans stitched together in a hideous manner.

    Personally, I thought the design was just about a perfect update, just like the new Dalek.

    Sean.


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    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: Louis on Monday, December 05 2005 @ 03:17 AM EST

    Polly thought the same thing at first...

    This may help. Here is some dialogue from The Tenth Planet:

    Krail: "We are called Cybermen. We were exactly like you once, but our race was getting weak. Our life spans were getting shorter, so our doctors and scientists devised spare parts for our bodies until we could be completely replaced."
    Polly Wright: "But that means you're not like us. You're robots."
    Krail: "Our brains are just like yours, except that certain weaknesses have been removed. You call them emotions, do you not?"
    Polly Wright: "But that's terrible. You mean you wouldn't care about someone if they were in pain?"
    Krail: "There would be no point. We do not feel pain."
    Polly Wright: "But we do."

    Perhaps the new Cybermen are more inline to with this explanation that dates all the way back to The Tenth Planet, where they are almost robots except for their brains... Perhaps there isn't any other flesh left?

    There's also another possibility concerning these particular Cybermen... which may or may not pan out, but I can not elaborate more on it at this point. We will have to wait and see. I guess what I can say is that these Cyberman may possibly be considered "special" perhaps.

    Cheers,
    Louis

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    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: Dangermouse on Monday, December 05 2005 @ 08:53 AM EST
    I love the new-look Cybermen! They are in keeping with the original.

    On the subject of them looking too robotic, I suppose it might be just that they have now relegated more organic parts to the biological waste bin and replaced them with more mechnical bits.

    I'd love to see a confilict between old and new Cybermen. Maybe a planet populated with 'classic' cybermen that has lost contact with the others and developed at it's own pace could be invaded by the new-wave Cybermen who wish to re-take the planet. Or then again maybe not!

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    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: DSCFord on Monday, December 05 2005 @ 07:44 PM EST
    To me, the Cybermen are not cyborgs. They are not half-human or part human, they were ONCE human. They represent the evils of technology, logic and industrialization gone too far. They represent what happens when we remove our humanity and turn our back on our emotions. They represent what we could become. They represent the horror of humans turned into machines.

    And I kind of have a feeling what Louis is alluding too regarding these particular Cybermen. As Rob Shearman’s “Dalek” was a watered-down version of his BF audio “Jubilee,” so I think they will borrow heavily from Dan Abnett’s “The Harvest” with a bit of Marc Platt’s classic “Spare Parts” thrown in. I mean, after all, they admit it takes place on an alterative earth, (i.e. they’re doing an “Inferno” on us). ‘nuff said.
    New Cybermen - Opinion
    Authored by: gelfling6 on Monday, December 25 2006 @ 01:27 AM EST
    I'm sifting through some of the episodes myself right now, forgive me, Stephen, long time fan, and having seen the new episodes, I'm feeling like I've found an old friend to keep the world alive. I haven't reached the new Cybermen episodes yet, but from the photo I have seen, the design is reminissant of Disney's "The Iron Giant"
    (reference http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0129167/Ss/0129167/11.html?hint=nm0547349 )
    and the character UltraMan Lah (reference: http://ultramanlah.com/index.php?cat=1 )
    the contoured face is far from the flattish faces of the Cybermen I remember, before PBS pulled the plug.

    I've only seen a few episodes of Torchwood, and their vision of 'CyberWoman' was an interesting retro, this time, revealing much more flesh, within a Cyberman/Human hybrid.