Subject: Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 01:27 PM
By: iantelos

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hi all

what does everyone think was the best mcCoy story?

My vote would go to Curse of Fenric.

ian



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Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 01:54 PM
By: seanhuxter

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"Remembrance of the Daleks" - has so many references to the past that it's impossible to keep up.

Plus the "No Coloreds" sign adds a level of seriousness and social commentary that I found completely unexpected in Doctor Who.

I thought it was excellent.

Sean.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 03:11 PM
By: capricorn1

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If it counts... Human Nature! I've just finished reading this and it is excellent!


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 08:06 PM
By: Tardis-Knight

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I'd go with you; The Curse Of Fenric is a big favourite of mine.

I've always been really interested in WWII, and they captured that era very well. The haunting/eerie score was really good too.

So yeah, Curse of Fenric it is (although on a different day it could easily have been Ghost Light)


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 08:50 PM
By: shoggoth

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[QUOTE BY= iantelos] hi all
what does everyone think was the best mcCoy story?
My vote would go to Curse of Fenric.
ian[/QUOTE]

I would have to second your vote for Curse of Fenric. The second best episode would have to be Remembrance of the Daleks.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 15 2007 @ 11:28 PM
By: tarashnat

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It is too bad that they didn't have the budget to film any of the scenes from Curse of Fenric at night. Scenes with vampires shot in broad daylight just don't have the right level of menace. Despite that, this is one of the best stories of the McCoy era, and one of my favorites. It also has my favorite soundtrack from the classic era.

Taras


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 16 2007 @ 07:38 AM
By: iantelos

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It is really sad that we never got to see the next series..who knows how dark that would have been.I feel the series was going in the right direction after the early McCoy episodes which at times was naff!


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 16 2007 @ 12:06 PM
By: tarashnat

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If I remember correctly, the Big Finish audio play Night Thoughts was being considered for the television series before it was cancelled. That may give you an idea of a direction the series could have gone in.

Taras


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 16 2007 @ 12:18 PM
By: BadWolf

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If the rumours are true for the 3rd series then I would think that RTD would be looking at Master quite closely.

Given the resolution it would be a way of bringing him back and the story could be adapted.

The storyline also gives him an "out" as to why another Time Lord" survived the war without tying him to bringing back all of them.

Night thoughts was also excellent but basically it is a whodunit with some time stuff thrown in.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 16 2007 @ 01:07 PM
By: gackt

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im gonna have to add another vote for 'curse of fenric'


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 17 2007 @ 07:26 AM
By: Mohan

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Thanks for bringing this topic up. I must admit that McCoy is not one of my favorite doctors--it's not so much how he played the Doctor but that the scripts during that time were pretty bad (in my opinion). However, with that said, I went onto Netflix last night and saw that the "Curse of Fenric" had the "Watch Now" button next to it. I fired it up, pumped the video out to my tv at full screen and watched away. I have to admit that I did enjoy the episode and liked the more serious tone.

I did have a few questions: I missed the undercurrent as to "who" the bad guy was--he seemed to know the Doctor from before in having lost a chess match. Now I've seen a lot of Doctor Who in my time and this wasn't ringing a bell.

I also thought it was a bit weird to have that pop psychology moment in which Ace jumps into the water, swims around a bit, comes out all wet, and now she's all better in feeling bad about her mom. Weird moment--not sure why that scene was needed.

Anyway, good recommendation to watch the episode. Thank you.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 17 2007 @ 11:48 AM
By: DarthSkeptical

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Best McCoy story? I didn't realize you could use all three of those words in a sentence.

There really is no single televised story of McCoy's that I wholly like. However there are a few that aren't utter rubbish (at least if you can excise the musical scores). "Time and the Rani" and "Paradise Towars" are utter tripe. Don't have to give any rationale for that; it's just bloody obvious.

"Delta and the Bannerman" gave us Ray, who I think should've actually been the companion. Far better actress, far more interesting character. And she was Welsh! How cool would it have been if a Welsh companion prefigured the RTD era? The story itself is garbage, but she's cool.

"Dragonfire" has a, um, cool concept that you can pretty much understand all the way through. That's saying a lot for the McCoy era. But then that's also the story that gave us Ace and the literal cliffhanger so . . .

Not much in "The Happiness Patrol" and "Remembrance of the Daleks" which doesn't completely disgrace the series. "Remembrance", in particular, makes my skin crawl. It implies the First Doctor was an entire fool, makes a cliffhanger out of Daleks, pardon-me-as-I-yawn flying, has Ace hitting Daleks with a baseball bat, and has McCoy playing arch-butch.

"Silver Nemesis" at least had sufficient mystery to keep me watching—until the disasterous third episode.

"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" was a clunker, too, but there were one or two good Doctorly moments there, at least. Unfortunately, there's also rapping that makes you long for Keff McCullogh's score.

"Ghost Light" was a miserable failure. I bet there's no single story that's required so much post-broadcast discussion to make sense of it. "Love and Monsters" is an entire masterpiece in comparison.

"The Curse of Fenric", as broadcast, had more plotholes than plot. In its movie version on the DVD, it's better, but the conclusion makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. That said, it does have some very nice underwater camera work for the age. (Mohan, look all you want, but you're not really gonna find answers to your questions. Maybe the bad guy would've returned in Season 27 or 28, but as things stand, the story collapses under the weight of its own self-importance in the end.)

And "Survival" just reeks. It's a nonsense. Why the HELL would the Master give up control of himself as he did? Cheapens the whole character concept to think he'd have found something of value in those cheetahs. Yeah, I"m buying the DVD, but as with all the McCoy era, only for the extra features. And for tips about how to ride a motorbike.

Which only really leaves us with "Battlefield" and the TVM—both of which give us something at least watchable. I would actually go so far as to say that McCoy is practically "on fire" in "Battlefield", And there's something immediately appealing about McCoy as a companionless Doctor in the TVM.


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Posted on: March 17 2007 @ 07:55 PM
By: Milamber

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[QUOTE]Why the HELL would the Master give up control of himself as he did? Cheapens the whole character concept to think he'd have found something of value in those cheetahs.[/QUOTE]

Have you read "The Eight Doctors"? The cheetahs certainly had something of great value to the Master's survival.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 18 2007 @ 08:18 PM
By: JeffL

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I tend to agree with DarthSkeptical's conclusion. My favorite McCoy story is "Battlefield."


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 26 2007 @ 02:47 AM
By: Justice

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hear a lot of good things about the curse of fenric.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 26 2007 @ 08:44 AM
By: Doctor Whoovie

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Without a doubt I put "Remembrance of the Daleks" of the Dalek's at the top of my list, with Curse of Fenric somewhere behind it (Let's face it, if your British (and a certain age) the presence of Nicholas Parsons, kind of blows all credability).

And what about Survival with starring a furry Lisa "Bernice Summerfield" Bowerman? Okay, it's pretty cr@p.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 26 2007 @ 10:32 AM
By: lucas

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[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] "Remembrance", in particular, makes my skin crawl. It implies the First Doctor was an entire fool, makes a cliffhanger out of Daleks, pardon-me-as-I-yawn flying, has Ace hitting Daleks with a baseball bat, and has McCoy playing arch-butch. [/QUOTE]
Hey, to be fair, we may have seen thousands of Daleks flying in the series these days, and even seen thousands flying in the comics back in the day of the classic series, but I remember watching Remembrance as a teenager on its original broadcast and being so excited when the Dalek started hovering up the stairs at the end of Ep 1, destroying 20 years of Dalek-stairway jokes in one fell swoop. It's a great cliffhanger.

But my sentimental favourite would probably have to be Greatest Show In The Galaxy. Like a lot of McCoy stories, it doesn't stand up too well to a viewing with older eyes, but despite its shortcomings it's still a nice concept and I still find the Chief Clown extremely menacing and creepy all these years later. One of my very favourite Who villains...


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 29 2007 @ 11:45 AM
By: JeffL

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"Greatest SHow in the Galaxy" is okay. It's not a favorite of mine but it has some great moments such as the werewolf traveling companion of the pompous space explorer (whose name slips my mind).

The problem with that one and with so many McCoy stories is that there are unneccesary characters that do nothing but fill space rather than move the plot along.

Seriously, do you think the story would be damaged if they removed all the scenes with that cranky woman street vendor? They could have gotten rid of all those scenes and the story would have still held up, probably even better because there would be more time to better explore the Gods of Ragnaroth or whatever they were called.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 29 2007 @ 03:38 PM
By: DarthSkeptical

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[QUOTE BY= lucas] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] "Remembrance", in particular, makes my skin crawl. It implies the First Doctor was an entire fool, makes a cliffhanger out of Daleks, pardon-me-as-I-yawn flying, has Ace hitting Daleks with a baseball bat, and has McCoy playing arch-butch. [/QUOTE]
Hey, to be fair, we may have seen thousands of Daleks flying in the series these days, and even seen thousands flying in the comics back in the day of the classic series, but I remember watching Remembrance as a teenager on its original broadcast and being so excited when the Dalek started hovering up the stairs at the end of Ep 1, destroying 20 years of Dalek-stairway jokes in one fell swoop. It's a great cliffhanger.
[/QUOTE]I think you hit the nail on the head when you mention the comics, written as they were by the Daleks' effective co-creator, David Whitaker. It was already a demonstrated power, and had been since the TV Century 21 run of comics back that started when Hartnell was the current Doctor. It was already well understood that Daleks could fly, but not on a BBC budget. The cliffhanger, though, made it seem as though that seeing one Dalek ascend a short staircase was an added power we weren't expecting. But quite the reverse was true. If it didn't damn well get up the stairs, then it wasn't a Dalek. The classic series had cleverly gotten around the issue by generally not putting the Daleks in situations where their budgetary shortcomings would be bleedingly obvious. But that doesn't make "Remembrance" any more impressive than filming cars stopping for a pedestrian in a crosswalk.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 29 2007 @ 05:26 PM
By: mindless

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ive recently just had a massive re-evaluation of the mccoy era, and i actually think it's one of the most uniquely odd of the classic series. due to the direction that JNT was told to take the show in, it ended up having a late 80's almost CBBC feel - you could have totally imagined watching some of these episodes between chucklevision and newsround for instance. very campy in places, and wonderfully dark in others with loads of weird eccentric characters. if i was to pick my favourites:

paradise towers
the happiness patrol
remembrance of the daleks (the story isn't as strong as i used to believe it was, but it's saved by some great moments)
silver nemesis
the greatest show in the galaxy
battlefield
curse of fenric
ghost light
survival

there are actually more stories that i enjoy than those which i don't, which is definately different to how i used to perceive that era!


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 29 2007 @ 08:58 PM
By: geekweekFL

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ghost light is beautifully shot, but my favorite is Batlefield. you cant beat the brigadier


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 29 2007 @ 08:59 PM
By: geekweekFL

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i just can't type today, sorry "battlefield"


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 30 2007 @ 06:38 AM
By: lucas

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[QUOTE BY= JeffL] "Greatest SHow in the Galaxy" is okay. ...
Seriously, do you think the story would be damaged if they removed all the scenes with that cranky woman street vendor?[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I'm always tempted to turn off the video by midway through that woman's second scene, and there's still a whole episode of her still to come after that. Torture.

But at least you still get killer clowns, norse gods, a very peculiar & compelling meloncholy tone with the kites constantly following Bellboy and Flowerchild, and a lovely, lovely shot at the end with the circus tent exploding in the background as the Doctor calmly walks away.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: February 19 2008 @ 11:35 AM
By: jeramsey1184

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I must cast my vote for Curse of Fenric as well. I love the relationship between the Doctor and Ace. It was such a lovely, father-daughter bond, and the end of this episode is wonderful and devestating keeping that in mind. Happiness Patrol is another one I really like as is Remembrance of the Daleks. I love McCoy's portrayal of the Doctor-he had this great dark edge, balanced with such affection for Ace that it made him a really complex character.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: March 02 2008 @ 02:05 AM
By: Fairport

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Here are my favorites:

Best story (television) - Remembrance of the Daleks
Best story (Big Finish) - The Harvest

Both have amazing performances from the Legendary Aldred! *whistles quietly just before running out of the room shouting "don't hit me"* Wink


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Posted on: March 02 2008 @ 09:19 AM
By: daveac

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[QUOTE BY= gackt] im gonna have to add another vote for 'curse of fenric'[/QUOTE]

Another 'me too' post.

Cheers, daveac


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Posted on: March 02 2008 @ 10:26 AM
By: jaki bruja

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curse of...,although i ain't seen the others since the original run & i haven't heard many of the big finish but they seem really good from what i can gather.
the vamps were really well done for such a lousy budget,that fascist/undead possession metaphor clinched it..reminded me of alot of the local yokels near my old area hertfordshire/essex!
respect to alan turing,a genuine hero!...r.i.p. bra'


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 27 2008 @ 03:20 PM
By: Dalek X

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I'd have to say Survival is best. I quite like it. Mainly because it has the Master in it, and I absolutely love the Mastr, I think he's one of the best villains ever. I also like Sylvestor's little speech at the end of Part 3. Fantastic episode!

BTW: This is my first post here.


Best McCoy Story

Posted on: April 27 2008 @ 03:43 PM
By: Chase

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Tough question: it's between TIME AND THE RANI, PARADISE TOWERS, HAPPINESS PATROL, SILVER NEMESIS and DRAGONFIRE. Oh, wait, this for the best MCCoy story: oh let's see: GREATEST SHOW IN THE GALAXY probably. They ALL had problems. SURVIVAL was pretty good, the Dalek story part one was excellent but after that...I'm quite partial to DELTA AND THE BANNERMEN for some reason.

I used to HATE HATE HATE Battlefield, Curse of Fenric, and Ghostlight for their silliness, their throw everything in but the kitchen sink and their illogical plotlines and unlistenable dialog but I've since grown to like them in some way(s).

Best? I'd have to say GREATEST SHOW and DELTA.


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