Subject: [Spoilers] TW s2e8 A Day in the Death of

Posted on: February 28 2008 @ 03:34 PM
By: tarashnat

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This has got to be the strangest episode of TW to date. Owen is dead, but not dead and he spends some time saving a young lady from killing herself with flashbacks to his day. It'll be interesting to see where they go with Owen's character from here.



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Posted on: February 28 2008 @ 03:58 PM
By: stjohnny

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Agreed on the strangness!
So they get rid of Martha, who is obviously over qualified, and keep their dead CMO. Also, because he is DEAD, he cant breathe, so, as they showed with Tom Good, he cant resuscitate people.
And, as they showed with the scalpel, he cant feel.
So how's he supposed to feel for a pulse, or a bump, bruise, contusion, foreign body, temperature, fever...of a fallen teammate? HOW DOES HE QUALIFY AS A DOCTOR WHEN HE CANT HELP PEOPLE?!
Are we, the stupid viewer not supposed to be aware of this?

Another gripe is that when an electric current of that size goes through a (human) body, it finds the nearest and quickest exit to an Earth point. On it's way there, it burns/destroys any tissue in it's path. So, for someone who cannot even get hit for the fear that bruises don't heal (and he hits those guards pretty hard!) Owen's body seems to not be affected at ALL by the huge electric current running through it. Unless that Tin-Tin shirt was made of some electrical absorbing alien material!
My point being that he was merely DEAD not super! And dont get me started on human biology, and explaining away atrophy how the only reason he's doing what he's doing is by 'unknown' energy, it just doesn't cut the mustard.

1/5 Weevil turds for this episode


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Posted on: February 28 2008 @ 11:04 PM
By: silvanthalas

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I figured this would be the episode that would finally fall completely flat for me.

And yet, as a character study, I think this one succeeded admirably.

As for the valid points stjohnny brings up, I can only say that Owen is a walking, talking zombie. So, I'm not even going to bother worrying about the science behind it. Mr. Green


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Posted on: February 29 2008 @ 08:24 AM
By: old china

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It was nice to see Richard Briers again. But apart from that this one didn't do alot for me. So many holes in the logic here. Owen can't work as a Doctor for Torchwood, as according to Jack, they have to study him, to find out what he is. But until then it'll be okay for him to make their f***ing coffee???

The best bit was at the very end when the Pulses magical light slowly streamed majestically out into the Cardiff night sky and spelled sale


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Posted on: March 01 2008 @ 09:39 PM
By: sarahbot

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[QUOTE BY= old china] The best bit was at the very end when the Pulses magical light slowly streamed majestically out into the Cardiff night sky and spelled sale

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I'd not noticed that. Laughing Out Loud

In general, I think the weakest part of this episode was the Richard Briers storyline. I normally watch my new Torchwood ep in bed before I fall asleep, and I've never had to stop the episode because I was falling asleep. I thought it was great that we were only seeing glimpses of what the rest of the team was doing and being shut out like Owen, but nope, we had to have the episode come to a standstill while he solved the mystery of the week. The shame of it is it had so much potential - a great actor and a beautiful idea of the alien message.

The scene of the bride staggering out of the wreckage were surprisingly upsetting in a good way. I was surprised that they moved me so much.

Why on earth did they get rid of Martha? Owen essentially demonstrated that he was just as disturbed as everyone suspected, and it got him his job back? Plus, I'm a little disappointed that Freema didn't have as much to do. It sucks that they stuck her in a storyline that meant Martha had to take a backburner to Owen, because I enjoyed her so much in "Reset" and was disappointed that she had a limited role in the next two episodes.

I enjoyed the Jack/Martha kiss, I'll not deny it. Oops!

Ever since the club bathroom scene in "Day One," I've become pretty used to Torchwood, and didn't think much could shock me. Owen's Tintin line surprised me, not because it shocked me, but because I know there's a whole heck of a lot of people who are going to be shocked/angry with it.


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Posted on: March 01 2008 @ 11:02 PM
By: LanaiaD

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I must admit i didn't get the Tin Tin reference. What does it mean? Is Owen the Tin Dog or something now.


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Posted on: March 02 2008 @ 12:39 AM
By: sarahbot

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[QUOTE BY= LanaiaD] I must admit i didn't get the Tin Tin reference. What does it mean? Is Owen the Tin Dog or something now.[/QUOTE]

Tintin is a French comic, like Asterix. From Wikipedia:

The Adventures of Tintin (French: Les Aventures de Tintin, Dutch: De Avonturen van Kuifje) is a series of comic books created by Belgian artist Hergé, the pen name of Georges Remi (1907–1983)... Set in a painstakingly researched world closely mirroring our own, The Adventures of Tintin presents a number of characters in distinctive settings. The series has continued as a favourite of readers and critics alike for over 70 years.
The hero of the series is the eponymous character, Tintin, a young Belgian reporter and traveller. He is aided in his adventures from the beginning by his faithful dog Snowy (Milou in French).


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Posted on: March 02 2008 @ 09:49 AM
By: old china

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Of course, Dreamworks is currently making a Tintin trilogy of films, all in CGI. Last I heard, Spielberg was directing the first film and Peter Jackson the second. Not sure who the third films director is - probably Zemekis.

Anyway, the reason I mention it at all is that they rumoured to be scripted by our own Stephen Moffat (The Empty Child, Girl In The Fire Place, Blink).

Personally I love the Tintin books and am already hopping from foot to foot in excitement. Big Grin


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Posted on: March 03 2008 @ 11:51 AM
By: mad4plaid

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(also a big tintin fan! I heard they caste the role, but now I can't remember to which actor).

what a waste of Richard Briers -- what a waste of a story line that really started last year (the rich guy buying all the alien junk off ebay). They really blew that set up, in my opinion. He could have been so much more than just ten minutes of I don't want to die, and then being okay with it.

I will probably spend the rest of the series counting the times that Owen actually "feels" something (a pulse, for example).


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Posted on: March 03 2008 @ 02:34 PM
By: rocko

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OK- never mind that he is (un)dead, but if Owen can talk he can certainly blow air into someone's lungs! Did anyone else notice how he was panting while mourning the fact that he doesn't breathe??? I was just totally confused. For me, the "wheel of morality" moment* was when he said to Jack, "You get to live forever while I get to die forever."

[*a reference to the Animaniacs cartoons. Whenever I get to the moment in a TV show or movie when the moral of the story is brought to light, I hear them in my head saying, "Wheel of Morality, turn and turn. Tell us the lesson that we must learn..." Smile ]


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 04:40 AM
By: romana_II

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I liked it... it was okay, not fantastic, but it wasn't horrible.
I like the idea of the alien message, and the scenes between Owen and the girl.
The tin tin bit had me laughing, mainly because a good girl friend of mine is a huge Tin Tin fan, whom has a similar option regarding the way Tin Tin "swings" as Owen had, (but not with the dog, but with Captain Haddock.)


But alas, there was a plot hole the size of Neptune regarding Owen in this story.
How can he talk when he has no air?
How can he do his job when he can't feel?
How come his body wasn't injured at all from being electrocuted?

And if he doesn't have the hand injury or a broken finger in the next episode I will be very peeved.
Continuity people.

And I'm a very sad panda at how underused Martha was, these just weren't the right stories for her to appear in, seeing as the focus was (and rightfully so) on Owen.

Overall, not a bad episode, it just suffered under plothole madness.

It's really odd, when he first died in Reset, I wanted him to come back, but now that he's back, I want him to die. They really need to resolve this issue with Owen soon. It makes no sense.


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 05:47 AM
By: old china

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[QUOTE BY= romana_II] How can he talk when he has no air?
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Yes, I also noticed that. No air to run over the vocal chords should mean Owen no talky.

I also thought Jack saying to Owen "how long is this going to go on for" was a bit rich. I'd have said, "well, you bought me back mate. I wouldn't even be here if you'd once bothered asking me the code to the vault". Also, didn't it take Jack centuries to get over his immortality? What a hypocrite!

Also, we've had three incidents in two weeks (four if you include his initially being shot dead) where Owen is selflessly sacrificing himself while the rest of the team are sobbing their tearful fairwells-

1- volounteering to be injected with whatever it was to finish himself off in the mortuary, with Gwen and co all misty eyed.

2- beating the Grim Reaper at fisticuffs with everyone sobbing at the glass door.

3- absorbing the energy from the Pulse with the Team blubbing their farewells over the intercom (probably beginning to wonder if he'll actually pop his clogs or not this time).

I wonder what Owen's selfless sacrifice will be for this weeks climax (if one can use the word "climax" in conjunction with Torchwood without Captain Jack puffing his cheeks, rolling his eyes and making some crass innuendo).

Wink


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 08:34 AM
By: LanaiaD

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Is Owen going to be written off the show though in the end? I heard on a podcast somewhere that he is going to be in a remake of Steptoe and Son or something. Maybe Martha will be a full cast member next season?


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 09:43 AM
By: daveac

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[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid]

what a waste of Richard Briers.[/QUOTE]

Yes that's one of the points I made on CIA on Sunday Episode 30 (3/2/08 - or here in the UK 2/3/08 Smile ) - along with little use of Martha and the poor scene of Martha leaving.

CIA TalkShoe


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 11:30 AM
By: seanhuxter

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[QUOTE BY= rocko] OK- never mind that he is (un)dead, but if Owen can talk he can certainly blow air into someone's lungs! Did anyone else notice how he was panting while mourning the fact that he doesn't breathe??? I was just totally confused. For me, the "wheel of morality" moment* was when he said to Jack, "You get to live forever while I get to die forever."

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Yeah, I thought that was stupid too. If he can talk, he's forcing air out of his lungs. That almost lost me, because it was so unrealistic. Despite the fact that a walking dead body isn't very realistic, once you set up the rules in the story, it's possible. But to show him clearly talking and breathing (and panting) and then pretending he can't do mouth-to-mouth, is just laziness.

I'm not sure I'm liking where this is going. Having Jack be immortal is one thing, regenerating after any injury, but having Owen immortal without the ability to even heal a cut, is another entirely. For him, it's only going to be a slow degeneration until he's an immobile mass of broken bones and zombified flesh.

I thought the device they found would reverse the effects. Something's got to, otherwise... what? What's the point of having him continue to "live"?

Sean.

EDIT: fixed malformed QUOTE tag—Taras


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Posted on: March 04 2008 @ 01:04 PM
By: daveac

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[QUOTE BY= seanhuxter]

Yeah, I thought that was stupid too. If he can talk, he's forcing air out of his lungs. That almost lost me, because it was so unrealistic. Despite the fact that a walking dead body isn't very realistic, once you set up the rules in the story, it's possible. But to show him clearly talking and breathing (and panting) and then pretending he can't do mouth-to-mouth, is just laziness.

I'm not sure I'm liking where this is going. Having Jack be immortal is one thing, regenerating after any injury, but having Owen immortal without the ability to even heal a cut, is another entirely. For him, it's only going to be a slow degeneration until he's an immobile mass of broken bones and zombified flesh.

I thought the device they found would reverse the effects. Something's got to, otherwise... what? What's the point of having him continue to "live"?

Sean.
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Not posting - just showing your missing post.

Cheers, daveac


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Posted on: March 05 2008 @ 10:38 AM
By: sarahbot

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This just goes back to Torchwood as Buffy. Whedon&co. had the exact same problems with their vampires. They can't give mouth-to-mouth, they don't bleed, etc., but that doesn't explain how they can speak or have sex (no blood flow?). You'd think with all their cribbing the Torchwood powers that be could have improved on problems in the original material that's obviously strongly influential.


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Posted on: March 05 2008 @ 07:06 PM
By: Tardis-Knight

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I thought this was crap. I was so into this series at the outset, but the whole Owen nonsense is really starting to grate with me.

I know it's science fiction, and therefore anything goes - but I don't like this is he/isn't he stuff. We know he is - but he's not. Get it? Personally I just don't.

Just my opinion!

(although I did actually like the whole jumper inter-woven storyline, if that's not a paradox in itself)



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Posted on: March 24 2008 @ 07:54 AM
By: Linquel

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[QUOTE BY= rocko] OK- never mind that he is (un)dead, but if Owen can talk he can certainly blow air into someone's lungs! Did anyone else notice how he was panting while mourning the fact that he doesn't breathe??? I was just totally confused.[/QUOTE]

I'm way behind on my Torchwood watching, but I finally watched Day in the Death (mostly). This comment cracked me up, because I had the same problem when watching Buffy. In the last ep of season 1, Buffy is killed by the Master and Xander and Angel find her. Angel says he can't do mouth-to-mouth because he doesn't breath. Yet all the vamps can talk. Hell, Spike even smokes. If anything, a vamp doing mouth-to-mouth is better since his/her body won't take any of the oxygen out. It would be like using one of those breathing bag things.
Eek!

/-edit-/

[QUOTE BY= sarahbot] This just goes back to Torchwood as Buffy. Whedon&co. had the exact same problems with their vampires. They can't give mouth-to-mouth, they don't bleed, etc., but that doesn't explain how they can speak or have sex (no blood flow?). You'd think with all their cribbing the Torchwood powers that be could have improved on problems in the original material that's obviously strongly influential.[/QUOTE]

Doh...I really need to start reading the whole thread before posting.

Confused


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Posted on: March 29 2008 @ 02:25 PM
By: petricat

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How Owen can talk and yet not be breathing

I was talking about this "error" with my 15 year old. Here's his explanation in a nutshell.

Air still enters Owen's body voluntarily. If it didn't it would create a vacuum. Since his muscles still work (he has to exercise to keep them from atrophying) then when his muscles in his diaphragm contract it pushes the air over his vocal chords making it possible for him to talk. Techinically it would be a soft voice (think the bellows scene in The Princess Bride when Westley is mostly dead and Miracle Max pumps him with air and then pushes on his diaphragm to find out why he wants to live)

Again this is my 15 year old's explanation.


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Posted on: March 29 2008 @ 02:42 PM
By: tarashnat

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Which should make him better at mouth to mouth as he won't be generating CO2 and be able to get more oxygen into the other person?!?

Total lack of either common sense or understanding of physics/chemistry in most drama today...


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Posted on: April 09 2008 @ 03:02 PM
By: Magpie

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Yes, I have to admit, like the rest of you I was like "How is he speaking if he can't get any air in!" What a crock!

Funny how these things can irk a viewer since ultimately the entire show is fantasy.

I remember once being really annoyed about a "news of the weird" article about a "human skull with horns on it." The fact that a human skull might have horns on it seemed less offensive to me than these hacks trying to say vikings had horns on their helmets! What rubbish. hehe


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