Subject: KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: March 27 2009 @ 10:45 PM
By: Chase

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KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE; THE CHAOS POOL



This entire story is rather well done, but like much of DW, it falls apart at the end. Confusing reigns and things happen just for a nice neat wrap up. There are twists and turns and some of them make sense and are shocking and fun; others are just far too much and there’s a sense that the writer is just too clever for his own good and some of the twists and turns are just one too many. There’s also far too many characters, many female characters and they all sound the same! That said, much of their personalities or background is left to the listeners’ imaginations and that’s not always a good thing. I would like to know where this disembodied voice came from…the alien slugs remind me too much of the Vogans from HITCH HIKER’S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY only here, in this, these slugs are not funny.



Taking a side trip, the first parts of this trilogy were in the HITCHHIKER vein and WERE very much funny. Peter Davison: if you’re still smoking, quit. It’s ruining your voice. Peter’s in good form here and his breathless care about all (except for Adric of course) Doctor is well represented here. One can’t help but compare his Doctor to Tom Baker’s Doctor as this is a sequel to the Key to Time season (16th Season of DW). Oh, and Lalla Ward appears and I won’t give away which character she is playing…that’s two or three of the more clever twists.



And again, the whole thing is just a jumble of a big giant mess at the end. Despite some nice interplay between Lalla and Davison, it just only holds together in the end. I’m still not sure how it all ended and what exactly happened but again, this is DW…and one has to expect that from time to time…but I wish Big Finish would live up to its name and give us a big finish that doesn’t leave one feeling “that was a nice three episodes, pity about the fourth…”



Oh and what the heck is wrong with Lalla Ward? Her interview on the second disk makes her sound moronic. She has no idea of the charm of DW, does she? I really thought she had after reading past interviews. She said several things that made me go, “HUH?” Does she really believe the nonsense she spouts in this interview?



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KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: April 05 2009 @ 01:52 AM
By: DarthSkeptical

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[QUOTE BY= Chase] This entire story is rather well done, but like much of DW, it falls apart at the end. [/QUOTE]Hold on a second!

In our discussion about The Android Invasion I made this very same point, and yet you passionately disagreed with it, giving a long list of serials that you felt had strong conclusions. Has further viewing/listening of "classic" Doctors brought you into the harsh light of reality? Or did you misspeak?


KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: April 05 2009 @ 01:58 AM
By: T Baker(notTom)

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[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] [QUOTE BY= Chase] This entire story is rather well done, but like much of DW, it falls apart at the end. [/QUOTE]Hold on a second!

In our discussion about The Android Invasion I made this very same point, and yet you passionately disagreed with it, giving a long list of serials that you felt had strong conclusions. Has further viewing/listening of "classic" Doctors brought you into the harsh light of reality? Or did you misspeak? [/QUOTE]

I think the run of "Chase bashings" has tempered him. His critiques are more balanced than they were in the past.


KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: April 05 2009 @ 02:01 AM
By: DarthSkeptical

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Didn't realize there were "Chase bashings" going on. Certainly, my question in this thread wasn't intended as a sleight. I was honestly curious whether his opinion has migrated.


KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: April 05 2009 @ 02:27 AM
By: T Baker(notTom)

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Sorry!

No insult intended.

Lately there has been a rash of (for want of a better term) "Chase Bashings" going on because he has been considered to be critical of the show.

Many of his critiques have been considered to be negative even though they have valid points. As a result he has gotten a reputation of being especially hard on the show.

Many of his comments are considered contreversial because they go against the grain of many fans of the show.

They're not "Chase bashings" per se..., but they are very hard on Chase.

TO CHASE: It's more tone than actual content. People would agree more if the tone was less negative and more positive. You can pick something to pieces like a buzzard, but if you give it in a positive view others are less likely to complain.


KEY 2 TIME 2: PART THREE: CHAOS POOL (some spoilers)

Posted on: April 06 2009 @ 11:38 PM
By: Chase

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Yeah next time I'll preface it with, falls apart like almost all of Davison's stories, a rare few Tom Baker stories, about more than half of Big Finish's output, all but two of Colin's stories, and three fourths of McCoy's stories, and the last 20 minutes of the TV MOVIE, but almost none of the first three Doctor stories etc etc.

Then there's falling apart and there's really falling apart. True taht in ANDROID INVASION's case, something can't fall apart that was never really together so there's bad storyteling, poor climaxes, and something so awful logically like Andriod, Invisible Enemy, Trial, Time and the Rani that it can't fall apart because it's so bad.

Then there's something like MASQUE OF MANDRAGORA which has three good eps following by a part four tht hangs there without logic and doesn't end satisfactorially although no one we really love dies. Which leads me tooo...the whole Adric's death debate ...for another time.

SO to backtrack, no, most TV DW does not fall apart (pre Davison? but post Davison it does?) but RTD is quickly, rapidly (?) adding to the girth of bad DW that falls apart and/or stinks from the first scene so no, not most DW fall apart. DW is a big universe now.


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