I kind of think that Heroes fits into the Other SciFi/Fantasy what with the superpowers and all. No one seems to be talking about it here, though. Am I the only one hooked on it?
I know there are others here that are hooked. I can truely say it's adictive. I love Hiro and as long as his character stays true I will watch (unless a "Super Stregnth" hero shows up then I will give up). It's up to Louis as to how much discussion takes place here concering "Heroes". Hiro is the best character for discussion here in my humble oppinion.
Save Hiro, for he is "The Cosmic Reset Button" 
Totally hooked. Paying per episode for it. Probably the best, wholly original new shows on American TV in a decade. It may well become the most financially, critically and popularly successful genre show in American TV history.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] Totally hooked. Paying per episode for it. Probably the best, wholly original new shows on American TV in a decade. It may well become the most financially, critically and popularly successful genre show in American TV history.[/QUOTE]
I agree with those statements. It's one of the best television shows I've ever seen. It's a lot like Lost, only if Lost was actually going somewhere. Something significant happens in every single episode, and the creators behind the show have said that they made it their mission to move the story along quickly, not spaced out and slowly like Lost is doing.
I love the show.
WOW
I don't think I have ever heard such unreserved praise from DarthSkeptical. Diddn't even have a problem with Niki. Well at least Claire has a "conditional imortality" unlike our "Sad Eternal Cptn. Jack" .
They may be getting an interesting new cast member...
Eccleston on Heroes?
Mike
MikeD, your link isn't working, but this one might:
http://tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx
[QUOTE BY= hdutch007] MikeD, your link isn't working, but this one might:
http://tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/default.aspx[/QUOTE]
It was a victim of the dreaded double http:// in this forum 
I fixed it so it should be working now. Thanks for pointing it out.
Cheers,
Louis
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] I kind of think that Heroes fits into the Other SciFi/Fantasy what with the superpowers and all. No one seems to be talking about it here, though. Am I the only one hooked on it?
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I have never seen it... From the title, am I to guess that this falls into the superhero genre? Is this something similar to Smallville? If so, I would imagine it falls into 'fantasy' so it fits into this forum.
I think I saw it listed in the Sci-Fi Channel line up for Friday nights... Is this so? Is this a Sci-Fi Channel show? I had thought it was "network television" or is it on NBC and they are just sharing it on the Sci-Fi Channel as well (since they are both owned by the same company)?
I'm not a casual television viewer, so unless a new series calls out to my attention, I don't notice it. This is an example of that happening. I also never saw the Firefly series as well because it came and left without me ever knowing it.
Cheers,
Louis
My only concern it that it might be getting too much hype. Check it out on NBC Monday night and Sci-Fi on Friday same episode (an Historic first for a first run). The tagline "Save the Cheerleader Save the World" is rather a turnoff, even though I understand the implications of the phrase. Louis mentioned Firefly and I will mention John Doe both excelent shows that "Never Found an Audience" beacuse they were put back to back on Friday night. Heroes is very good and is developing nicely With the focus becoming very clear. I am glad that I am not alone in our international group that I am not the only one Hooked 
. Louis, check it out a Space-Time warping Japanese comic book geek. Hiro is wonderful.
[QUOTE BY= Louis]I have never seen it... From the title, am I to guess that this falls into the superhero genre? Is this something similar to Smallville? If so, I would imagine it falls into 'fantasy' so it fits into this forum.[/quote]
I haven't watched it (but my wife likes it), but it reminds me of a modern-day, more "real-life" (if that's possible) version of the X-Men.
[QUOTE BY=Louis] I think I saw it listed in the Sci-Fi Channel line up for Friday nights... Is this so? Is this a Sci-Fi Channel show? I had thought it was "network television" or is it on NBC and they are just sharing it on the Sci-Fi Channel as well (since they are both owned by the same company)?[/quote]
As far as I know, it's an NBC show, being shown on SciFi.
[QUOTE BY= rocko] [QUOTE BY=Louis] I think I saw it listed in the Sci-Fi Channel line up for Friday nights... Is this so? Is this a Sci-Fi Channel show? I had thought it was "network television" or is it on NBC and they are just sharing it on the Sci-Fi Channel as well (since they are both owned by the same company)?[/quote]
As far as I know, it's an NBC show, being shown on SciFi.
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This series is doing something that is unheard of. The new episode premiers on NBC Monday night, then again on Sci-Fi on Friday (The Same Episode). This is a FIRST RUN so this is unusual exposure for a show. This has never (to my knowledge) been done, especially for a fantasy/sci-fi show.
Does no one read my posts?
[QUOTE BY= merlin_mccarley] Does no one read my posts? [/QUOTE]
Yep, but I guess I should pay more attention before hitting the old "reply" button...
Louis, the premise of the show is that people all over the world suddenly realize that they have developed powers. One cheerleader in Texas realizes that she is indestructable. A man in Japan can bend time. A painter, when he is high on drugs, can paint the future. Another man can absorb the power of someone who has power if they are close to him. A cop can hear the thoughts of those around him.
The show asks what would you do with powers like this if you had them. There is an evil that is rising, but it's sort of indefinable at this point. So far, the first handful of episodes have focused on these people and how their destinies are slowly intertwining.
It's well paced, intellegent, and most importantly, it really moves. It's NOTHING like Smallville. Smallville is centered around teen angst and slooooow season arcs. The closest thing it can be compared to, as far as structure, is Lost, in the sense that it's about a larger cast with a central theme. However, it moves much quicker than Lost, and each episode ends with a cliffhanger that makes you wish you were watching them all back to back.
I have yet to hear someone who didn't appreciate the show on some level, much less dislike it.
Thanks for the lowdown on Heroes... and I now believe I do recall seeing something that promoted the series at one time, be it a commercial or an upcoming attraction promo for the series, I can't recall now.
Is it a series that one really needs to see from the beginning? If one starts watching it now, will they be lost? Oh, and speaking of lost, I have never ever seen Lost... but with all the exposure to the hype associated with it, I have an idea of the comparison illustrated above.
Since it is on the Sci-Fi Channel, perhaps they will do a marathon of the series so one can catch up with it.
When I have sooooo many DVDs piled up still in their shrink wrap begging to be watched, it is hard to think about watching something else that eats into my limited time I have for watching television. But if it is good enough and worthy enough, I should check it out sometime.
Cheers,
Louis
[QUOTE BY= Louis]
Thanks for the lowdown on Heroes... and I now believe I do recall seeing something that promoted the series at one time, be it a commercial or an upcoming attraction promo for the series, I can't recall now.
Is it a series that one really needs to see from the beginning? If one starts watching it now, will they be lost? Oh, and speaking of lost, I have never ever seen Lost... but with all the exposure to the hype associated with it, I have an idea of the comparison illustrated above.
Since it is on the Sci-Fi Channel, perhaps they will do a marathon of the series so one can catch up with it.
When I have sooooo many DVDs piled up still in their shrink wrap begging to be watched, it is hard to think about watching something else that eats into my limited time I have for watching television. But if it is good enough and worthy enough, I should check it out sometime.
Cheers,
Louis[/QUOTE]
Yes, you do need to watch from the beginning. Sorry, but the development is key to understanding what's going on in this series. As to all those shrink wraped DVD's, need a reviewer ? I have been hooked on time travel themed stories since I first read "The Time Machine" when I was about 6 and yes there were some stinkers but this, like Doctor Who, isn't one of them. Watch episodes 1 & 2 then make up your mind, I think you will thank us.
[QUOTE BY= merlin_mccarley] I have been hooked on time travel themed stories since I first read "The Time Machine" [/QUOTE]
If you still enjoy reading Time Travel SF as well as watching - check out my SF Books to read pages:-
here
Some of Time Travel stories covered:-
'Beyond the Barrier' by Damon Knight
'Timescape' by Gregory Benford
'The Time Ships' by Stephen Baxter
'A World Out of Time' by Larry Niven
Cheers, daveac
[QUOTE BY= Louis]
Is it a series that one really needs to see from the beginning? If one starts watching it now, will they be lost? [/QUOTE]
I'd have to agree that it probably is a show you don't want to come into halfway through. But luckily we live in the day of other means and all the episodes are indeed available if you know where to look. I highly recommend doing so. It's one of the very few shows where, when it ends I can't believe how quickly the time has gone.
The big hook is, early on Hiro, the Japanese guy who can bend time and space using the power of his mind, tried transporting himself from Japan to New York. He accidentally sent himself forward in time, too, and witnessed an atomic explosion leveling the city right before transporting back. Somehow this all ties in with the cheerleader who is indestructible (she can be damaged but immediately heals). Hence the "save the cheerleader, save the world" thing. There is also a serial killer going around killing people with powers and a shadow organization tracking people with powers for reasons unknown.
Hey 
, I'm trying to get Louis hooked on watching without the Spoilers. There are plenty of sites out there for that with "Heroes". Well Linquel, I guess you are not alone, I find it facinating that no one has been picking it apart. As far as pure numbers go it is leaving Torchwood in the dust. I could give you my thoughts on ultimate direction it's going, but I think I see too well and I don't want to spoil it for you or Louis.
[QUOTE BY= daveac]
'The Time Ships' by Stephen Baxter
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I've been reading all of Stephen Baxter's works lately. I've still got to read "Transcendent". Most of his stories deal with time travel... I would add "Pas*censored*ch" by Orson Scott Card (that's "Past" + "watch". Apparently the forum censors don't like that combination of letters! ) to your lisdt.. Here I go, off topic again.
[QUOTE BY= rocko] [QUOTE BY= daveac]
'The Time Ships' by Stephen Baxter
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I've been reading all of Stephen Baxter's works lately. I've still got to read "Transcendent". Most of his stories deal with time travel... I would add "Pas*censored*ch" by Orson Scott Card (that's "Past" + "watch". Apparently the forum censors don't like that combination of letters! ) to your lisdt.. Here I go, off topic again. [/QUOTE]
LOL, oh well I think we drifted several post ago. So even though I havn't tried I couldn't call Owen (to drift further, into Torchwood) what he introduced himself as. Gotta love inteligent software.
[QUOTE BY= merlin_mccarley] Hey , I'm trying to get Louis hooked on watching without the Spoilers. There are plenty of sites out there for that with "Heroes".[/QUOTE]
What did I spoil? That's the gist of the show. That's like saying I'm spoiling Doctor Who by saying he travels in time and space.
[QUOTE BY= Linquel]
The big hook is, early on Hiro, the Japanese guy who can bend time and space using the power of his mind, tried transporting himself from Japan to New York. He accidentally sent himself forward in time, too, and witnessed an atomic explosion leveling the city right before transporting back.
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Bit of a 2 story arc spoiler. If you recall Hiro (and the viewer) don't know this for a while. Anyway, Louis, if you are listening to us babble on and, as is your nature, you are curious then catch the episodes and join this non-rant that isn't Torchwood.
[QUOTE BY= Louis]
Thanks for the lowdown on Heroes... and I now believe I do recall seeing something that promoted the series at one time, be it a commercial or an upcoming attraction promo for the series, I can't recall now.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Really? Louis, if you just barely remember seeing some promotion for Heroes, I'd say your TV is broken.
This series has been hyped like no other show has in years that I can recall.
Almost as much as "The Iron Giant" was hyped up two years before it was released (but then NOT at all mentioned when it actually WAS released.)
But the good news is the show is worth the hype. It really is good. You learn something new every show, and you can see a direction and a plan.
However my worry is they're going to get to the major part of their plan too fast and then what? I guess we'll wait and see.
To me when the show ends I always find myself saying "already? I want it to go on!"
I'd say you should catch up before watching, but then again that's just me. It could be a bit confusing starting up in mid-stream, but you'll soon get the idea of what's going on.
Personally if I were you, I'd book a red-eye flight and see all those episodes before moving on to the live show.
Sean.
[QUOTE BY= seanhuxter] [QUOTE BY= Louis]
Thanks for the lowdown on Heroes... and I now believe I do recall seeing something that promoted the series at one time, be it a commercial or an upcoming attraction promo for the series, I can't recall now.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Really? Louis, if you just barely remember seeing some promotion for Heroes, I'd say your TV is broken.
This series has been hyped like no other show has in years that I can recall.
Almost as much as "The Iron Giant" was hyped up two years before it was released (but then NOT at all mentioned when it actually WAS released.)
But the good news is the show is worth the hype. It really is good. You learn something new every show, and you can see a direction and a plan.
However my worry is they're going to get to the major part of their plan too fast and then what? I guess we'll wait and see.
To me when the show ends I always find myself saying "already? I want it to go on!"
I'd say you should catch up before watching, but then again that's just me. It could be a bit confusing starting up in mid-stream, but you'll soon get the idea of what's going on.
Personally if I were you, I'd book a red-eye flight and see all those episodes before moving on to the live show.
Sean.
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Wouldn't it be refreshing if a U.S. show told the story it wanted to tell and then ended? The original plan for Prison Break was either one or two seasons, but it was so successful it's still going.
By the way, even further off topic, Iron Giant is remarkable.
[QUOTE BY= seanhuxter] [QUOTE BY= Louis]
Thanks for the lowdown on Heroes... and I now believe I do recall seeing something that promoted the series at one time, be it a commercial or an upcoming attraction promo for the series, I can't recall now.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Really? Louis, if you just barely remember seeing some promotion for Heroes, I'd say your TV is broken.
...
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Yeah, I don't won't network television at all... with the possible exception (if you count Fox) of The Simpsons and Family Guy. And when I do watch television programming, it is via TiVo, so I simply zap all the commercials unless something catches my eye while zipping through them.
It seems like at one point there was nothing but task-orientated reality shows on network television (and for that matter non-network television as well)... (I have to run now... I will try to finish this post later..)
Cheers,
Louis
[QUOTE BY= Louis] But if it is good enough and worthy enough, I should check it out sometime.
Cheers,
Louis[/QUOTE]
Well you might want to now - a poster (DenWatts) on Digital Spy gave this link - a rumor that Eccleston joins Heroes:-
here
Cheers, daveac
Yeah, I saw some reports that Christopher Eccleston is going to be on Heroes... but I just assumed it was a guest role. Is he joining the cast (as a regular cast member)?
I was going to post it as a news story on our site, but so far, I haven't had the time.
Cheers,
Louis
at this point, it's just rumor and speculation. No one knows anything for certain yet.
by the way, could someone e-mail me what happened in the last 5 minutes of the most recent episode of Heroes? I had a DVR malfunction.
[QUOTE BY= hdutch007] at this point, it's just rumor and speculation. No one knows anything for certain yet.[/QUOTE]
From all the reports I have seen, it all stems from a comment made by Michael Ausiello of TV Guide. So I am only giving it this some sort of creditability being that it comes from TV Guide. I am not familiar with Mr. Ausiello myself, not having read TV Guide since TNG was still being produced.
I just find it odd if Eccleston is going to be a regular cast member appearing in each episode as I thought he was lined up (or at least seriously considered) for the lead role in the remake of The Prisoner series. I am assuming that Heroes is shot in North America, so I would imagine the commute for Eccleston would be difficult at best. So that is why I am guessing that if he is indeed going to be on Heroes it will be a one-off appearance or if he is reoccurring, it won't be on a weekly basis (more like John de Lancie playing Q).
Whatever the case may be, I will trust my friends here who watch Heroes to keep me posted on this matter.
Cheers,
Louis
[QUOTE BY= Louis] [QUOTE BY= hdutch007] at this point, it's just rumor and speculation. No one knows anything for certain yet.[/QUOTE]
From all the reports I have seen, it all stems from a comment made by Michael Ausiello of TV Guide. So I am only giving it this some sort of creditability being that it comes from TV Guide. I am not familiar with Mr. Ausiello myself, not having read TV Guide since TNG was still being produced.
[/QUOTE]
I read Ausiello each Wednesday, and when I'm on a really boring conference call. His information is about 75% accurate most times. The missing 25% usually has to do with something not happening exactly when he thinks its going to, or the difference between someone who is rumored to be on for an entire season who only ends up being on for an extended story arc.
So, I believe 100% that Eccleston will be on Heroes, but whether that is for a story arc or for the remainder of the season is still open for interpretation.
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid]
So, I believe 100% that Eccleston will be on Heroes, but whether that is for a story arc or for the remainder of the season is still open for interpretation.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it's coming to BBC 2 here in the UK:-
here
Cheers, daveac
For all those (like me) who haven't seen Heroes yet, the first six episodes will be shown marathon style Wednesday night, Nov 29th, on SciFi.
Question: Does SciFi keep it's annoying tradition of popups during this one too?
This involves last night's ep, so here is the obligatory spoiler space...
When watching the Six Months Ago episode of Heroes last night, did anyone else see Gabriel and think of Dr. Jon Osterman (aka Doctor Manhattan) from Alan Moore's Watchmen?
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] This involves last night's ep, so here is the obligatory spoiler space...
When watching the Six Months Ago episode of Heroes last night, did anyone else see Gabriel and think of Dr. Jon Osterman (aka Doctor Manhattan) from Alan Moore's Watchmen?
[/QUOTE]
No, I didn't, but the show is full of comic references. Did you hear the bit where the grandfather gives the boy the laptop and says "go break the internet in half?"
This was a line that Marvel Comics made that backfired on them because the hype didn't live up to what it was they were promising. I have to imagine it was a nudge at Marvel Comics, considering there are many comics professionals working on the show.
[QUOTE BY= Satai Styx] For all those (like me) who haven't seen Heroes yet, the first six episodes will be shown marathon style Wednesday night, Nov 29th, on SciFi.
Question: Does SciFi keep it's annoying tradition of popups during this one too?[/QUOTE]
Louis, program your Tivo!
[QUOTE BY= Satai Styx] For all those (like me) who haven't seen Heroes yet, the first six episodes will be shown marathon style Wednesday night, Nov 29th, on SciFi.
Question: Does SciFi keep it's annoying tradition of popups during this one too?[/QUOTE]
Traditionally, yes.
(by the way, you all have free license to berate and ridicule me for what I'm about to say......)
SPOILERS!!!!
Watching Heroes last night, I decided I have finally become jaded to TV. When we met Syler and he talked about knowing he was special, different, etc., and how he always wished someone would tell him that his family wasn't really his family I thought of only one thing: Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince. Yup. I know. I've drank the JK Rowling kool-aide, sorry.
But Syler's descriptions of his feelings (and lets face it, borderline psychotic behavior) was just a paraphrase of Tom Riddle's first meeting with Dumbledore as a kid.
That, of course, led me to compare each story line with other books/stories I've read and movies I've seen. Don't get me wrong, still one of the best new shows on US TV and really one of the few I watch on network TV.
Has anyone else experienced this deja vu? Or perhaps I should just call it plagarism? (or is that too harsh?)
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] (by the way, you all have free license to berate and ridicule me for what I'm about to say......)
SPOILERS!!!!
Watching Heroes last night, I decided I have finally become jaded to TV. When we met Syler and he talked about knowing he was special, different, etc., and how he always wished someone would tell him that his family wasn't really his family I thought of only one thing: Harry Potter & the Half-Blood Prince. Yup. I know. I've drank the JK Rowling kool-aide, sorry.
But Syler's descriptions of his feelings (and lets face it, borderline psychotic behavior) was just a paraphrase of Tom Riddle's first meeting with Dumbledore as a kid.
That, of course, led me to compare each story line with other books/stories I've read and movies I've seen. Don't get me wrong, still one of the best new shows on US TV and really one of the few I watch on network TV.
Has anyone else experienced this deja vu? Or perhaps I should just call it plagarism? (or is that too harsh?)[/QUOTE]
oh, it's not just you. Just about all media keeps going to the same well over and over and over.
I assume you are refering to a bad guy's intentions to do something good, but by awful means.Tom Riddle was a product of his environment. It wasn't really his fault, was it? But what he did with his power, where he chose to take it, that's when he became a gray area villain, which is to say, a villain with motivations or history that we can sympathize with.
When villains started getting motivation to be bad, writers tried to give them sympathetic, albeit psychotic, motivations that you could say "well, their intentions are in the right place, but they are going about it all wrong." In other words, making a hero gray with some reasonable motivation is more entertaining than just having a bad guy who wears black and kills puppies.
But that's just modern mainstream storytelling as it comes these days. Rowling certainly wasn't the first to use the device. I am sure others can go back a lot farther than this, but Magneto was a gray area villain forty years ago in Marvel comics. I am sure classic literature is also full of the cliched bad guy.
But yes, this trend is on many television shows, in many books, and in many films.
It's like deja vu all over again.
Louis,
Seriously.
You.
Need.
To.
Watch.
This thing is not like Smallville. Despite the above post which finds the most recent episode derivative of Harry Potter—a frankly odd comparison—this thing has no analogue in American TV history.
Heroes is the closest thing the US is ever going to have to the phenomenon of RTD Doctor Who in the UK. We've waited since the original Battlestar Galactica for a truly popular science fiction show to be on regular network TV. Now that it's here, you're going to wait?
This is watercooler science fiction. Jeph Loeb and Tom Kring and company have found a way to reinterpret comic books such that ordinary viewers who've never read a comic book in their lives are totally hooked. It is, in that way, just like RTD's interpretation of Doctor Who, or, to a lesser extent, the way that RDM has made BSG accessible to the kind of viewer that would've liked The West Wing.
Only it's way, way, wayyyyyyyyyyyy better.
It's like mainlining the essence of fantastic fiction.
I say this with love: your DVDs can wait.
SciFi is doing a marathon, starting on the 29th at 6pm EDT. Set your TIVO. Or just try Episode 1, available on iTunes.
Save the cheerleader. Save the world, man.
By the way, every episode (except the first) is today available online at NBC.com for viewing. (The pilot is marked as "coming soon". One scene is the subject of a current lawsuit, forcing its removal. The edited version, which appears on iTunes, will eventually be put in replacement at NBC.com.)
The quality's fairly low, but for those just wishing to "dip their toe in", it's a free way to see whether or not the show is to their liking.
In other, non-Doctor Who-related Heroes news, actor George Takei will, sometime in the back half of season 1, make his way back to NBC prime time for the first time since Star Trek's initial run. He will, appropriately enough, be playing the father of Star Trek fan, Hiro.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] In other, non-Doctor Who-related Heroes news, actor George Takei will, sometime in the back half of season 1, make his way back to NBC prime time for the first time since Star Trek's initial run. He will, appropriately enough, be playing the father of Star Trek fan, Hiro.[/QUOTE]
That may push RTD over the edge, a gay man being the Time/Space Traveler's dad. Jack be warned, you are going to need a crib .
Please let me be wrong.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] By the way, every episode (except the first) is today available online at NBC.com for viewing. (The pilot is marked as "coming soon". One scene is the subject of a current lawsuit, forcing its removal. The edited version, which appears on iTunes, will eventually be put in replacement at NBC.com.)[/QUOTE]
This is unfortunate. Do you have any more information on which scene is the one, and if it will not be in the eventual DVD release?
That last episode had me glued. My local NBC station does a "your time and temp" thing and it came on at 8:45p. I couldn't believe that 45 minutes had passed so quickly. It's going to be a long wait until Jan 22. I may have to just get all the episodes to date through other means so I can watch them again. I haven't been saving my videorecordings.
-L
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] By the way, every episode (except the first) is today available online at NBC.com for viewing. (The pilot is marked as "coming soon". One scene is the subject of a current lawsuit, forcing its removal. The edited version, which appears on iTunes, will eventually be put in replacement at NBC.com.)[/QUOTE]
This is unfortunate. Do you have any more information on which scene is the one, and if it will not be in the eventual DVD release?
That last episode had me glued. My local NBC station does a "your time and temp" thing and it came on at 8:45p. I couldn't believe that 45 minutes had passed so quickly. It's going to be a long wait until Jan 22. I may have to just get all the episodes to date through other means so I can watch them again. I haven't been saving my videorecordings.
-L[/QUOTE]
Where Claire mangles her hand in the Garbage Disposal, though I don't remember seeing a brand name. The company that manufactures that line is suing beacuse of the safety feaures that are on (Just about all modern) sink Garbage Disposals these days make this incident virtually impossible. So as ever, other means will prevail .
[QUOTE BY= merlin_mccarley] [QUOTE BY= Linquel] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] By the way, every episode (except the first) is today available online at NBC.com for viewing. (The pilot is marked as "coming soon". One scene is the subject of a current lawsuit, forcing its removal. The edited version, which appears on iTunes, will eventually be put in replacement at NBC.com.)[/QUOTE]
This is unfortunate. Do you have any more information on which scene is the one, and if it will not be in the eventual DVD release?
That last episode had me glued. My local NBC station does a "your time and temp" thing and it came on at 8:45p. I couldn't believe that 45 minutes had passed so quickly. It's going to be a long wait until Jan 22. I may have to just get all the episodes to date through other means so I can watch them again. I haven't been saving my videorecordings.
-L[/QUOTE]
Where Claire mangles her hand in the Garbage Disposal, though I don't remember seeing a brand name. The company that manufactures that line is suing beacuse of the safety feaures that are on (Just about all modern) sink Garbage Disposals these days make this incident virtually impossible. So as ever, other means will prevail .[/QUOTE]The In-Sink-Erator®.
Oddly, I must've downloaded my iTunes copy before the lawsuit was filed, cause they cut back squarely to the brand name at least 3 times.
This is an unfortunate lawsuit, and a really basic error on the part of the producers. I don't know what other coverage they have of the scene, but I'm not altogether sure how they could re-edit it so it retains the same intent. If she'd intentionally put her hand in the disposal, then that'd be simple. But she's not actually trying to do herself damage here. She drops her ring into the sink and fishes after it without thinking of the possible risk. You need a shot of the ring falling into the drain, yet avoiding showing the name stamped all around the lip of the drain. I honestly don't know how they're going to do that without actually filming something new.
The scene plays so well as it is, real=life safety features notwithstanding, they really need to find a way to keep it intact, even if it means hand-painting out the brand name.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical]The In-Sink-Erator®[/QUOTE]
Thank you DarthSkeptical, I didn't want to mangle the name. I'm sure its in my copy
also but it wasn't a glaring thing to me, on first watching (pre-lawsuit). I am also hopeful
that they find a way to keep the scene and are able to use Episode 1 (completly) again.
Not to mention a quick setlement to allow DVD sales .
[QUOTE BY= merlin_mccarley] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical]The In-Sink-Erator®[/QUOTE]
Thank you DarthSkeptical, I didn't want to mangle the name. I'm sure its in my copy
also but it wasn't a glaring thing to me, on first watching (pre-lawsuit). I am also hopeful
that they find a way to keep the scene and are able to use Episode 1 (completly) again.
Not to mention a quick setlement to allow DVD sales .[/QUOTE]I can't see how they could possibly settle the lawsuit and keep the scene intact as is. From what the manufacturer is saying publicly, theyr'e mad as hell, and NBC/UNIVERSAL have already done something to accommodate them on rebroadcast. Now I'm really curious what that "something" is, but not curious enough to bother taping it when it comes on SciFi. All I know is it must not be a totally agreeable fix to NBC, because otherwise they'd have just slapped the new version of the episode up on the Heroes website, and they've not done that yet.
Interestingly, you don't hear DC crying "foul" because of that second graphic novel. In it, Hiro offered up an oragami-folded copy of the cover of Action Comics #1 to his grandfather's spirit at the Hiroshima memorial. Course, you don't quite see Superman's big red "S", either. Still, they use the name "Action Comics", which itself is trademarked. Guess DC is either giving the project a wide berth because of projected positive impact on comic book sales or because of Jeph Loeb's involvement with Heroes. Cause otherwise, you'd think they'd have a tiny problem with offering up their symbol of American virtue to the site of an American-created holocaust.
Or, maybe, they just appreciate emotionally satisfying writing when they see it a little bit better than the humorless garbage disposal guys.
Because Eccleston is joining the cast in some form, I decided to try it out. The first episode I watched kept flashing back to 6 months ago. Was this a good episode, as far as the show goes? I think I understand the back story, but it seemed like a whole lot of nothing going on to me. I will try to hang on for a couple in hopes that it picks up.
[QUOTE BY= highlander357] Because Eccleston is joining the cast in some form, I decided to try it out. The first episode I watched kept flashing back to 6 months ago. Was this a good episode, as far as the show goes? I think I understand the back story, but it seemed like a whole lot of nothing going on to me. I will try to hang on for a couple in hopes that it picks up.[/QUOTE]This is a show you need to watch from the beginning, sequentially. You will get much less out of it if you watch it in a random order. In fact, the show you're describing was a big "payoff" episode; an origin tale for the characters in many ways. You've watched what was chronologically the first show, but in story terms, almost the half-season finale.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] In other, non-Doctor Who-related Heroes news, actor George Takei will, sometime in the back half of season 1, make his way back to NBC prime time for the first time since Star Trek's initial run. He will, appropriately enough, be playing the father of Star Trek fan, Hiro.[/QUOTE]
Just to give a bit more to this, here's the text from an interview at comicbookresources.com, in which the casting process was discussed with writer/producers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite:
[QUOTE BY=comicbookresources.com, from an interview on 27 November 2006]
In the past week we've learned that George Takei will play the role of Hiro Nakamura's Father in an upcoming episode and that Christopher Eccleston ("Dr. Who") will be featured in an episode this January. First, can you tell us in which episodes we should expect to see these actors?
Mr. Nakamura will first show up at the end of Episode 13. And the character will appear again in at least Episode 14.
As for Mr. Eccleston, he'll be here soon. You just might not be able to pick him out of the crowd!
Secondly, this is just more interesting casting taking place in the show. We've had Richard Roundtree on the show, who played Shaft, the most well known character during the Blaxploitation era of film making. Now we have members of two of the greatest sci-fi franchises of all time. Is this a deliberate move on the part of the show to salute great genre shows/films of the past and present? Should we expect more of this in the future?
We use a simple formula when casting: Best actor gets role.
Roundtree rocked it, he gets the role.
Christopher Eccelston was perfect for the role we were looking for (we don't want to give too much away on this.)
As far as Mr Takei, it was serendipity. We had joked about his playing Hiro's Father from the get-go, but it wasn't until he showed up in a casting session and knocked [creator/showrunner] Tim [Kring]'s socks off that the role was his. Like Masi before him, he translated from English to Japanese on the spot, he got what we were trying to get across with the character on his first read. George Takei exceeded our highest expectations. We think he'll do the same for the entire audience.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember Richard Roundtree on the show.... which ep was he in?
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] I don't remember Richard Roundtree on the show.... which ep was he in?[/QUOTE]
He was in at least two episodes including the first one. He plays the dying man that Peter Petrelli is a hospice nurse for. He is the father of Simone.
Mike
[QUOTE BY= MikeD] [QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] I don't remember Richard Roundtree on the show.... which ep was he in?[/QUOTE]
He was in at least two episodes including the first one. He plays the dying man that Peter Petrelli is a hospice nurse for. He is the father of Simone.
Mike[/QUOTE]
the jazz musician! Wow. I didn't even recognize him.... thanks!
Some more info about Eccleston's character (well, a hint anyway) in this week's SciFi Weekly..
well, tonight was the night. Eccleston made his Heroes debut. From the looks of it, he's going to be a very important character. I have to say, it's so good to have him on my television again!
Aye, "appearence" made. Don't know anything about the character except for what we "saw" and what he said. Looking forward to seeing him act with hair . Welcome to the states Eccels and to a show that might just knock 24 off of its complacent backside.
Cheers,
Mike M.
[QUOTE BY= hdutch007] well, tonight was the night. Eccleston made his Heroes debut. From the looks of it, he's going to be a very important character. I have to say, it's so good to have him on my television again![/QUOTE]
I almost didn't recognize him, what with the longer hair (hiding the ears) and the beard and it looks like he put on a little weight. But it was good to see him again. I'm looking forward to next week.
Can't say that I'm a rabid fan of the show, but I do catch it when I can. It isn't hard to keep up with even if you miss a few episodes. It seems to progress rather slowly.
All in all, its worth watching when you have a moment.
Lovely mid-season premiere. The show's still going in a great direction—and Eccles' role is quite different in dimension and feel than what I had expected. I'm so glad the character is going to have a multi-episode life. Also, quite a novel way to "reveal" invisibility. I guess next week we get as close to a Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover as we're gonna get—bring on George Takei!
"Oh,... my!"
Yeah, with all that hair he was looking far more the psycho, more like he was in "28 Days Later".
(*Spoilers*)
I liked how they handled the invisibility, but it doesn't yet explain how Peter saw him. It could be that Eccles' power includes being able to see other invisibles. That would make sense - since Peter grabbed his power.
No one saw them fighting because they were both invisible. And they could both see each other.
I liked that line. "You can see me? No one sees me!"
Love this show. I hope they don't squander the wonderful feel of it the way Lost did. (For me at least.)
About Hiro and his sword. Did we actually see the sword Hiro was carrying in an earlier episode?
We saw the hilt. Who's to say he wasn't carrying the fake? If it focused his power it could easily be the fake he was carrying when he teleported back to the past to warn Peter about the Cheerleader.
Great show. Did I say that yet?
Love it.
Sean.
Here are a few more thoughts after reading the last few posts...
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Regarding Chris Eccle's power, he must be able to make things he touches invisible, too. How would a person not see their wallet floating in mid-air and their money being pulled out of it. Maybe as soon as he makes contact with something, it turns invisible, too. Has it been established that Peter has to touch someone to get their power? Or can he just be near them? If the latter, maybe he was near enough to C.E. to get his powers and that includes the ability to see another invisible person.
Regarding Hiro's sword, I can't remember if we've ever actually seen it removed from its scabbard.
[more spoilers]
When Hiro raised the sheathed sword to the museum dinosaur, was that supposed to be the image that Isaac painted? Was the sword sheathed or unsheathed in the painting?
-L
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] Here are a few more thoughts after reading the last few posts...
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Regarding Chris Eccle's power, he must be able to make things he touches invisible, too. How would a person not see their wallet floating in mid-air and their money being pulled out of it. Maybe as soon as he makes contact with something, it turns invisible, too. Has it been established that Peter has to touch someone to get their power? Or can he just be near them? If the latter, maybe he was near enough to C.E. to get his powers and that includes the ability to see another invisible person.
Regarding Hiro's sword, I can't remember if we've ever actually seen it removed from its scabbard.
[more spoilers]
When Hiro raised the sheathed sword to the museum dinosaur, was that supposed to be the image that Isaac painted? Was the sword sheathed or unsheathed in the painting?
-L[/QUOTE]first, Peter only has to be near the person he is mimicking the powers of. Thus he was near Chris E. so he had his powers. Hiro's sword is unsheathed in the painting. I have a feeling that whether or not he faces the dinosaur on the show will depend on the budget. I kind of doubt it. I imagine this is all we're going to get (him in the museum).
Note, too, how the show is not only borrowing Doctor Who actors but Doctor Who (well, perhaps ultimately, Smallville) brand leveraging ideas. The official website and mobile phone additional content is a neat spin on TARDISodes and the Who fake websites. The newest content, the 360 stuff, is really very nifty.
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] Regarding Hiro's sword, I can't remember if we've ever actually seen it removed from its scabbard.
[more spoilers]
When Hiro raised the sheathed sword to the museum dinosaur, was that supposed to be the image that Isaac painted? Was the sword sheathed or unsheathed in the painting?
-L[/QUOTE]
you know the drill, highlight the text:
Isaac's picture did show a "glint" off the sword. So I just assumed it was the actual sword and not the scabbard. Couldn't find a picture online.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] The official website and mobile phone additional content is a neat spin on TARDISodes and the Who fake websites. The newest content, the 360 stuff, is really very nifty.[/QUOTE]
I just went to the NBC website but I couldn't figure out how to pull up the 360 content. Is it only available for a short time after the show ends? That would be lame.
Are you guys aware of Primatechpaper.com? It's a fake website to emulate the front corporation that Claire's father works for. If you go to the JOBS section, and enter the code MT36, you will be prompted to fill in some fields that are...well, interesting, to say the least. Then after that is done, you get a strange confirmation e-mail with the promise of more info later. This is not to mention the 1-800 number that you can call.
Don't forget that even before Doctor Who did this, I think Lost did the fake website thing with the Airplane company's website.
I'm happy to say that I did notice this and called the number as soon as I saw it. I informed one of my friends (the one that catches every single little trivia bit), everyone has one of those friends. I was happy because he never even thought to call the number, let alone visit the website.
As it is, I may have a new job soon guys. I signed up! LOL
In tonight's episode we get tons of Eccleston goodness, plus the Heroes premiere (albeit silent) of Mr. Sulu himself, the very one and only George Takei. Man, I love this show. It's so good to see these people in one place, on a quality show.
And of course they had to squeeze in the word "Fantastic" for Eccels. Things are moving in a good direction, I just wish it would move a bit faster . Not a complaint, mind you it is the best thing to be produced in North America for TV in quite a long time. I'm sure RTD is watching with bated breath to see George Takei's relationship with his Time Traveling son.
Mike M.
[QUOTE BY= hdutch007] In tonight's episode we get tons of Eccleston goodness, plus the Heroes premiere (albeit silent) of Mr. Sulu himself, the very one and only George Takei. Man, I love this show. It's so good to see these people in one place, on a quality show. [/QUOTE]
I set my VCR, but I didn't realize the cable coming out of my wall had been bumped and the picture was a mess. Luckily, those red-eyes have domestic flights, too. I should hopefully be watching it tonight or tomorrow.
OK - drawing this topic back into the main list because new episode tonight and I can honestly say that Claude as a character is quickly becoming the best thing about an already stupendous show. Every podcast I listen to about the show (and I would really suggest an affiliation with thetenthwonder.com) comments incessantly on how wonderful the dynamic between Peter and Claude (aka Milo and Eccles) is for the show, how stupendous the acting and how engaging a storyline. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear American audiences embrace Eccles in a role outside DW.
I'm hoping that everyone who loves DW pays head to this little show. (note for UK readers if it hasn't already been posted somewhere) the show starts in UK on the Sci-Fi Channel on Monday 19th at 10pm and it can be watched online here for free although you'll have to wait 11 episodes until it stars our beloved number nine)
Ok - bounced to the end of this thread as I started to find spoilers I didn't want to be tempted to read.
I don't tend to watch the Sci-Fi channel as in the UK it generally very naff and a lot of repeats! However, they started showing this a couple of weeks ago and browsing the TV Guide I noticed they were re-showing episodes 1 and 2 over the weekend with 3 being aired tonight, so I though considering the rave reviews it's getting in several forums I hangout in I'd give it a go.
I found the first episodes a little slow but I forgave it as it was introducing the characters etc. However - after episode 2, which I found much better, I am hooked! I am slightly tempted to try and find all the episodes via 'other means' but I think it maybe a show I'll enjoy more watching in as it's aired!
Tonight on Heroes: Eric Roberts begins his story arc!
I forget: does he fit into the Taras Canon?
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] Tonight on Heroes: Eric Roberts begins his story arc!
I forget: does he fit into the Taras Canon?[/QUOTE]
As the DVD of 'The Movie' has been released in the UK then yes but as it hasn't in the US then no!
Anyone catch the identity of the bus driver in last week's episode? (19 Feb, "Unexpected") Glad to see him give the show a nod...
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Anyone catch the identity of the bus driver in last week's episode? (19 Feb, "Unexpected") Glad to see him give the show a nod... [/QUOTE]Yeah that was awesome.
OH
MY
GOD!
This week's episode, "Company Men", was maybe the best ever. Satisfying movement on the plot, heavy on Eccleston, nifty revelations about Takei's character, and a nice, controlled turn by Eric Roberts that made ya think "Oh, so that's the Master!"
i don't see whats so Special that show.
these day's everything feels like a rip off of lost.
or a rip off of heroes
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] OH
MY
GOD!
This week's episode, "Company Men", was maybe the best ever. Satisfying movement on the plot, heavy on Eccleston, nifty revelations about Takei's character, and a nice, controlled turn by Eric Roberts that made ya think "Oh, so that's the Master!"[/QUOTE]
You aren't kiddin'! I did miss that the episode did not further the story of any other characters (besides Claire and Matt Parkman - oh, and Claude - cannot forget Claude and the Haitian). But what a stellar and incredibly tight episode - especially the noble sacrifice at the end!
It was because of this thread here that I started watching Heroes - thanks, guys!
C.E.'s character this week gets a bit more "fleshy" - and for once, I actually enjoyed the work that Eric Roberts did. He's one of those actors I could not stand (along with Bruce Willis and William Shatner) in ANYTHING that he did. But, he seems to have finally taken some acting lessons from his sister and applied them well.
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] OH
MY
GOD!
This week's episode, "Company Men", was maybe the best ever. Satisfying movement on the plot, heavy on Eccleston, nifty revelations about Takei's character, and a nice, controlled turn by Eric Roberts that made ya think "Oh, so that's the Master!"[/QUOTE]
You aren't kiddin'! I did miss that the episode did not further the story of any other characters (besides Claire and Matt Parkman - oh, and Claude - cannot forget Claude and the Haitian). But what a stellar and incredibly tight episode - especially the noble sacrifice at the end![/QUOTE]Well, dunno that the range of characters affected tonight was so limited as you believe. Hiro, for a start, was directly affected by the episode, and he wasn't even in it. And really, since the episode detailed some foundational events in the past, since it was squarely a "Mr. Bennett" episode, all characters will ultimately be affected by the revelations of the evening.
Tuesday, February 27 2007 @ 11:43 PM EST
So how many of you out there watched our very own Christopher Eccleston and the infamous Eric Roberts (aka 'Who movie Master) acting together on NBC's Heroes this past Monday (2/26/07)??? And what did you think? "Fantastic," I say. Not to mention having Star Trek's George Takei (Sulu) in the same scene to boot. The show's practically a Sci-fi con guest panel every week.
Esco aka "The Bachelor"
Louis
Forum Admin
Wednesday, February 28 2007 @ 12:11 AM EST
Hey Esco,
You may want to check out this thread on Heroes as I think that discussion is taking place there.
I didn't know George Takei is also on the series as well now. Wow. I am assuming it was only a guest spot cameo or something. Obviously, I haven't been watching the series.
Cheers,
Louis
The Bachelor
Wednesday, February 28 2007 @ 12:23 AM EST
Oh great, thanks Louis, sorry I was trying to find where the topic might be being discussed here already. I was just watching this Monday's episode on my DVR and after seeing all these storied actors together on one show, actually in the same scene, together, I thought I was going to explode (no pun relating to the show Heroes intended) if I didn't or couldn't tell someone.
Yes, George Takei has been a somewhat recurring role now. Not to mention a whole slew of other less-renowned "B" list sci-fi related actors/actresses. Last week they also had a brief cameo by Marvel Comics creator/godfather Stan Lee and other frequent Spock/Star Trek references. It's probably only a matter of time (again, no pun intended) until they make some obscure reference to our favorite time lord. It seems the producers of this program are extremely in tune with the Sci-Fi genre and fandom's consciousness so I wouldn't be surprised if they were also 'Who fans as well. They're obviously Eccleston fans.
Esco aka "The Bachelor"
[QUOTE BY= Justice] i don't see whats so Special that show.
these day's everything feels like a rip off of lost.
or a rip off of heroes[/QUOTE]
These days I think "Lost" is such a rip-off of the formally good show called "Lost".
Heroes may not be the "best" or most "perfect" show ever (however it's pretty darn close), but at least it brings so much new creativity and ideas to the table for the small screen.
Whoops, sorry, I was just re-reading your quote, what show were you just talking about???
Two words:
"Oh, my!"
[QUOTE BY= tarashnat]
Two words:
"Oh, my!" [/QUOTE]
Too, too, too funny.
Kudos.
[QUOTE BY= The Bachelor] [QUOTE BY= Justice] i don't see whats so Special that show.
these day's everything feels like a rip off of lost.
or a rip off of heroes[/QUOTE]
These days I think "Lost" is such a rip-off of the formally good show called "Lost".
Heroes may not be the "best" or most "perfect" show ever (however it's pretty darn close), but at least it brings so much new creativity and ideas to the table for the small screen.
Whoops, sorry, I was just re-reading your quote, what show were you just talking about???[/QUOTE]
i was talking about heroes
i'm starting to think i'm the only person in the world who doesn't like heroes or lost.
[QUOTE BY= Justice]
i was talking about heroes
i'm starting to think i'm the only person in the world who doesn't like heroes or lost.[/QUOTE]
Lost was once a great show, but isn't anymore. Now it just drags along at a horrible pace.
Heroes on the other hand is currently fantastic. I think for many (but surely not all) it's every Sci-Fi fanboy's dream television program come true. A very guilty pleasure, but one that also intrigues and satisfies many no sci-fi geeks as well....
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] Well, dunno that the range of characters affected tonight was so limited as you believe. Hiro, for a start, was directly affected by the episode, and he wasn't even in it.[/QUOTE]
Hiro WAS in it. Did you miss it?
Sean.
I was perhaps speaking imprecisely. I meant that Masi Oka wasn't in it.
well, I personally feel like this most recent episode rocketed the program into the realm of greatness. It's been my favorite show of the year since it started, but this most recent episode packed a mighty emotional wallop as well.
I just really never cease to be impressed with what they're doing with the show.
I rewatched the last episode last night with an uninitiated friend. It took us four hours to get through it! He refused to read any of the backstory, but wanted to watch it and have me tell him what was going on. So pretty much every scene was paused and I began, "okay, so what just happened here was....."
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] I rewatched the last episode last night with an uninitiated friend. It took us four hours to get through it! He refused to read any of the backstory, but wanted to watch it and have me tell him what was going on. So pretty much every scene was paused and I began, "okay, so what just happened here was....."[/QUOTE]
You obviously have the patience of a saint. I would've decked him after the third pausing.
Pat
[QUOTE BY= actorguy] You obviously have the patience of a saint. I would've decked him after the third pausing.
Pat[/QUOTE]
I'm sooo with you there.... on Monday nights I host our weekly D&D game. Lately, once 9 PM hits, I'm thinking at the guys: "OK, can we hurry up and kill this monster so you can go home and I can watch Heroes???!!???"
[QUOTE BY= The Bachelor] Lost was once a great show, but isn't anymore. Now it just drags along at a horrible pace.[/QUOTE]
I watched seasons 1 and 2 of Lost on DVD over the course of the past year. I've seen the first two eps of season 3, but need to acquire some more. I've heard this season hasn't been as good. It kind of lends some credence to the idea to take a really good show like Life on Mars and only plan for it to be on two years and then end it.
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wow, I finally watched my tape of Monday night's Heroes and you guys weren't kidding. That flat out rocked. The flash-back with Eccleston, the flash-back with Takei, the fireball ending with the crispy Claire.
[QUOTE BY= Satai Styx] [QUOTE BY= actorguy] You obviously have the patience of a saint. I would've decked him after the third pausing.
Pat[/QUOTE]
I'm sooo with you there.... on Monday nights I host our weekly D&D game. Lately, once 9 PM hits, I'm thinking at the guys: "OK, can we hurry up and kill this monster so you can go home and I can watch Heroes???!!???"[/QUOTE]
yeah, but the point was for this man who "hates anything with science fiction" to get over himself and watch the show. It worked. After the four hour event, he ended up renting the available "story up to this point" dvd from netflix and reading all the episode synopsises (synopsi? whatever) on Television Without Pity
Now I've just got to get him over the Doctor Who hump (and get him away from cheering for the Green Bay Packers) and he'll be pretty darn close to a perfect male of the species. 
So we are back in the game! Spoilers below!! please don't read farther if you haven't seen the episode.
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Peter is dead then he isn't. Isaac is dead and he isn't indestructable (too bad, he was cute!). I was hoping that Parkman would leave HRG/Bennett in the jail cell. And I'm concerned about what Jessica's reaction will be when she finds Micah gone. It may be what is needed to get Nikki back in control.
Anyone else have thoughts on the last episode?
[QUOTE BY= mad4plaid] So we are back in the game! Spoilers below!! please don't read farther if you haven't seen the episode.
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Peter is dead then he isn't. Isaac is dead and he isn't indestructable (too bad, he was cute!). I was hoping that Parkman would leave HRG/Bennett in the jail cell. And I'm concerned about what Jessica's reaction will be when she finds Micah gone. It may be what is needed to get Nikki back in control.
Anyone else have thoughts on the last episode?[/QUOTE]I was glad that the Peter resurrection was handled in a way internally consistent with what we've seen so far on the show. I loved the Petrelli family dynamics, and that the "bastard child" was needed to give her uncle a reboot. I absolutely adore the performance of matriarch of the family, so any episode that features her heavily is going to immediately interest me.
Yet again, HRGG and Suresh get their sides swtiched. Suresh just ain't a real great judge of character, is he? I howled at the fact that Parkman knew more than Bennett: "You're middle management", indeed!
I thought Eric Roberts gave his best performance to date here, and am continuing to enjoy his character immensely. He's so quietly villainous, it makes me wish he could have a "take back" on his turn at the Master.
Malcolm McDowell, whom I for some reason don't normally like that much, is proving quite well cast, and his perspectives are adding an interesting dynamic to the series—though I imagine comic fans will cry foul at him being an obvious blend of the post-Crisis Lex Luthor and the filmed Magneto.
And Hiro and Ando continue to get the best cliffhangers.
About the only thing really frustrating me right now with the series is the Jessica subplot, which hasn't really gone anywhere hugely more interesting since the reveal, long back, that Jessica's "bad". It's not unpleasant to watch or anything, but it's just kinda too "incredible Hulk in stilettos" for me. It's the one sub-plot that seems to be most about simple family drama and the least connected with the larger picture. I gather that's about to change, though, so all's eventually good on that front, too. That said, her character's been on "simmer" for a bit overlong. The kidnapping of Micah is sure to bring her much more into the center of things.
Hopefully Hiro will get over his fear of "Tampering" and after next week we should see some serious Temporial Engeneering in action. Imagine if the two "that we know of" time manlipulators play at diffrent results, in this day and age we could even vote for the result we want .
Cheers,
Mike M.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical]I thought Eric Roberts gave his best performance to date here, and am continuing to enjoy his character immensely. He's so quietly villainous, it makes me wish he could have a "take back" on his turn at the Master.
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Perhaps a fight to the finish between Roberts and Eccleston. A re-match of sorts, you might say...
[QUOTE BY= joereform] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical]I thought Eric Roberts gave his best performance to date here, and am continuing to enjoy his character immensely. He's so quietly villainous, it makes me wish he could have a "take back" on his turn at the Master.
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Perhaps a fight to the finish between Roberts and Eccleston. A re-match of sorts, you might say... [/QUOTE]
Isn't Eccleston done with his episodes? I thought he was to be on only a few and they are all done. Could be wrong, of course. I'd like to see him back.
I'm gonna make, as the MMM boys put it, a "very big call". "Five Years Gone" was the finest single hour of television I've ever seen.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] I'm gonna make, as the MMM boys put it, a "very big call". "Five Years Gone" was the finest single hour of television I've ever seen. [/QUOTE]
Oh yes. I would be hard pressed to come up with a better hour (42 minutes, whatever) of television. I had the audible "GASP!" at least ten times while watching. There was emotional pull, there was suspense, there was terror AND sword play.
How could it have been better? If there had been TWO hours Five Years On and we could have better explored more relationships and seen how non-Special humans reacted (that weren't in the government). I am greatly looking forward to the upcoming last episodes.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] I'm gonna make, as the MMM boys put it, a "very big call". "Five Years Gone" was the finest single hour of television I've ever seen. [/QUOTE]
As big a statement as that is, it'd actually be pretty hard to make a case otherwise. For most of the last few episodes, I felt that each was better than the one before, and this week was definitely no exception. I already feel bad for next week's episode, because it's gonna be tough to top "FYG". But if any TV show can do it, this one can.
[QUOTE BY= sgb1975] [QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] I'm gonna make, as the MMM boys put it, a "very big call". "Five Years Gone" was the finest single hour of television I've ever seen. [/QUOTE]
As big a statement as that is, it'd actually be pretty hard to make a case otherwise.QUOTE]
At this point I wil admit to never having watched Heroes, but are you telling me that this was better than the Battlestar Galactica Episode "33" which was definitely the best hour of TV I have watched in the last few years?
I'm finally getting caught up on all of my backlogged Heroes. I just finished watching Five Years Gone. Fricking awesome. This show rocks. I couldn't believe what a dick Nathan was being, then (don't know why I didn't see it coming) the big reveal it's Sylar after absorbing the shapeshifter's power. When he reached through the wall, I was like "Crap, he killed DL sometime in the past, too." I'm a little suprised that no one has been posting about the finale. I guess that's good for me, since I haven't seen it yet. I was just peeking here against my better judgement when I saw the last show talked about was FYG. I've been trying to avoid anyone who has seen the finale so I don't get spoiled at all. We'll be watching the final three eps tonight.
Yeah, I haven't posted here in the past few weeks cause I really didn't want to risk spoiling anything for anyone. But I did find the payoff of the finale satisfying and to be honest quite surprising. I was sorta shocked what they chose to resolve, and what they chose to leave dangling for the future. It's such a long story arc, it's gonna take at least until the end of next season I think to fully appreciate all the nuances and threads. It's the most satisfying, unpredictable ride I've had on network television in, well, ever.
Must say that even though the final reslove was not really satifying to me, I really did enjoy the ride.
I hope for better realization of Hiro in the future.
Cheers,
Mike M.
after FYG I found the finale a bit anti-climatic. I am kind of sad that less people seemed to die than I thought would (DL, for example). And of course, the trail of blood into the sewer was not a shock at all.... any comic fanboy (or fangirl) saw that coming a mile away.
Heroes has just premiered in the UK tonight.
The first two episodes back-to-back - each (without adverts) 40mins long.
Luckly as it was aired on BBC 1 it was also shown on the BBC HD Preview channel - which I watched.
After the two episodes they had a short 'Making of' programme - and guess what? Anthony Head was the narrator again.
Cheers, daveac
Yes, I watched it too - it's the first time I've ever seen it. I liked it. It wasn't what I expected, but I did enjoy it.
[QUOTE BY= Tardis-Knight] Yes, I watched it too - it's the first time I've ever seen it. I liked it. It wasn't what I expected, but I did enjoy it. [/QUOTE]
Yes - I should have said I loved it.
But how anyone could make sence of it if watched with breaks every 5 minutes I don't know.
Cheers, daveac
[QUOTE BY= daveac]
Yes - I should have said I loved it.
But how anyone could make sence of it if watched with breaks every 5 minutes I don't know.
Cheers, daveac[/QUOTE]
I know - whenever anything like that is on Sky (mainly Deadwood or 24) I wouldnt watch it at the time. I'd record it so I could skip the ads. Or when the Sopranos is shown on E4, the ads put 20 minutes on the program time!
My first time in the States as a child, I remember Diff'rent Strokes was on every morning at 10.00am (this was 1980 - and I still remember it!). I couldnt believe that after the opening credits, there were adverts!!
[QUOTE BY= daveac]After the two episodes they had a short 'Making of' programme - and guess what? Anthony Head was the narrator again.[/QUOTE]
I'm so jealous. Is that something they're going to have every week or was it just on for the premiere? I'll have to look online to see if it's available anywhere. I hope you enjoy the show half as much as I did. It really hooked me like no recent show has, since maybe the premiere of Battlestar Galactica.
the other day i was thinking...........
is heroes a rip-off of X-Men?
makes sense when you think about it.
[QUOTE BY= Justice] the other day i was thinking...........
is heroes a rip-off of X-Men?
makes sense when you think about it.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly what struck me when I was watching it!!!
I have just seen it for the first time on BBC 2. I loved it. I thought the characthers were really intresting & you cared about them. It fills a big Doctor Who hole in my life.
[QUOTE BY= Justice] the other day i was thinking...........
is heroes a rip-off of X-Men?
makes sense when you think about it.[/QUOTE]I think there's only one episode in which I thought the X-Men connection was especially strong. In that episode, public and governmental opinion is against them, as in the X-Men. Other than that there's no sense that the public know anything about super-powered humans. And the nature of the entity hunting them is obscure, forming the basis of one of the pervading mysteries of Series 1. I suppose there is a commonality between the two fictions in that super powers might have a biologic derivation, but that's a fairly standard comic book conceit that's hardly novel to the X-Men.
[QUOTE BY= Linquel]
I'm so jealous. Is that something they're going to have every week or was it just on for the premiere? I'll have to look online to see if it's available anywhere. I hope you enjoy the show half as much as I did. It really hooked me like no recent show has, since maybe the premiere of Battlestar Galactica.[/QUOTE]
On a similar sort of note Linquel, BBC has a podcast about Heroes. Heroes The Official Radio Show
I know from previous discussions on here that Stateside viewers/listeners aren't able to see some BBC Web stuff. If you can't download, possibly try the "listen again" option on BBC7 (which is how I noticed it).
Apologies if this has been mentioned already - I've not read through the whole thread.
[QUOTE BY= Tardis-Knight]On a similar sort of note Linquel, BBC has a podcast about Heroes. Heroes The Official Radio Show
I know from previous discussions on here that Stateside viewers/listeners aren't able to see some BBC Web stuff. If you can't download, possibly try the "listen again" option on BBC7 (which is how I noticed it).
Apologies if this has been mentioned already - I've not read through the whole thread.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads-up, T-K. I didn't know about that. I was able to subscribe to it in my iTunes. I can't wait to listen. I see that the ep I downloaded is called Episode 2, but I don't seem to be able to go back and get Episode 1. I'll try to track it down. I see from the BBC website the behind-the-scenes show is called Heroes Unmasked. I did a little searching and was able to find them available "by other means" so I'll hopefully be watching them soon. This is all perfect timing, because my wife and I just started re-watching the show from the beginning again.
-L
(drat...tracking down the first podcast is proving more difficult than I thought)
Just watched Episode 4 of Heroes (brag mode) in High Definition (end brag mode)
And as others have said - I couldn't believe the credits were still rolling after 12 minutes into the story.
But - apart from Doctor Who - this must be the best SF on TV at the moment.
Also Enjoying the BBC 'Heroes Unmasked' that follows it.
Cheers, daveac
[QUOTE BY= daveac] Just watched Episode 4 of Heroes (brag mode) in High Definition (end brag mode)
And as others have said - I couldn't believe the credits were still rolling after 12 minutes into the story.
But - apart from Doctor Who - this must be the best SF on TV at the moment.
Also Enjoying the BBC 'Heroes Unmasked' that follows it.
Cheers, daveac[/QUOTE]
The non Sci-Fi fans are loving it too. In our (relatively small) team at work, people who couldnt normally care less about these things are well into it. We're having full on critical analysis and review each morning after a new show is broadcast.
[QUOTE BY= DarthSkeptical] [QUOTE BY= Justice] the other day i was thinking...........
is heroes a rip-off of X-Men?
makes sense when you think about it.[/QUOTE]I think there's only one episode in which I thought the X-Men connection was especially strong. In that episode, public and governmental opinion is against them, as in the X-Men. Other than that there's no sense that the public know anything about super-powered humans. And the nature of the entity hunting them is obscure, forming the basis of one of the pervading mysteries of Series 1. I suppose there is a commonality between the two fictions in that super powers might have a biologic derivation, but that's a fairly standard comic book conceit that's hardly novel to the X-Men. [/QUOTE]
At first, I also thought that Heroes was an X-Men rip-off, but in the latter half of season 1, if you are observant, you'll see that Heroes gets a serious nod from someone pretty high up on the X-Men ladder (in the form of a cameo).
Don't think this has been mentioned - it's in my dealer's new listings for today so I doubt it.........
Heroes Hewoes Parody Comic
[QUOTE BY= daveac] Also Enjoying the BBC 'Heroes Unmasked' that follows it.
Cheers, daveac[/QUOTE]
Is Heroes Umasked being narrated by Anthony Stewart Head, aka Giles on Buffy and narrator of Doctor Who Confidential for series 3?
Also, is it not a set length? It looks like the first ep I acquired is only about 7 minutes long, but the second is 15 minutes. Is that right?
[QUOTE BY= Linquel] [QUOTE BY= daveac] Also Enjoying the BBC 'Heroes Unmasked' that follows it.
Cheers, daveac[/QUOTE]
Is Heroes Umasked being narrated by Anthony Stewart Head, aka Giles on Buffy and narrator of Doctor Who Confidential for series 3?
Also, is it not a set length? It looks like the first ep I acquired is only about 7 minutes long, but the second is 15 minutes. Is that right?[/QUOTE]
Well firstly - upset mode - just checked my recordings and the first nights showing of two episodes -I've recorded the wrong channel!!!!
I watch on the builtin Freeview (digital channel) but my DVD recorder gets it's signal from a stand alone Freeview - and I'd not set that to the right channel Grrrr!!
So I don't know how long the first two 'unmasked' were - sorry.
Anyway after episodes 3 and 4 - which is as far as we've got on BBC 2 - both 'Unmasked' are 15mins 30 seconds long with the 'on the next time' bit at the end.
And yes it's Anthony Head narrating.
Cheers, daveac
Heroes S1 will be available stateside on DVD and HDDVD on 8/28/07 and will include an unaired pilot episode.
Enjoy,
Mike M.
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