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     Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 03:54 PM EST
    LOL @ Dangermouse Laughing Out Loud

    That Is Not Dead Which Can Eternal Lie, And With Strange Aeons Even Death May Die.
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     Wednesday, December 28 2005 @ 07:39 PM EST
    By the way if anyone was really irritated by the continuity announcer talking all over the end titles music, the guys at Gallifreyone.com have a topic on their forum entitled "The Middle Eight and Continuity Announcer Hijinx! [merged]" (under "The Christmas Invasion" thread). If you look at the end of that discussion they have posted several remixed versions of the end theme without the stupid announcer ruining it.

    Oh and this website has numerous version of the theme, including cleaned up versions of The Christmas Invasion gleaned from patching together clean recordings of the theme from various transmissions around the world:

    http://www.dannystewart.com/doctorwho/themes/

    (amazing what the international community will get together to do for one tiny TV show Big Grin )

    Abersoch

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     Thursday, December 29 2005 @ 06:55 AM EST
    WOW! That's a great example of how passionate people are about the show. I downloaded a zip file last night with lots of Dctor Who theme tunes, but I'm certainly going to get the most recent one from there too.

    I'm gonna be such a cool dude this summer, driving round with my roof down (well, windows anyway) and my Doctor Who theme tunes blasting out!

    I am the anti-chav!

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Thursday, December 29 2005 @ 07:49 AM EST
    Ah yes. Keep Britain Tidy - Kill a Chav!

    Most planets have a North!
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     Thursday, December 29 2005 @ 08:00 AM EST
    If any Chav types shout at me for not playing "thud thud thud Car-Alarm" music then I'll jump out and threaten to zap them with my Sonic Screwdriver.

    That'll sort them out.

    Oh yes.

    Or maybe I'll threaten them with my dog - only he can't get up curbs as he's made of metal and has wheels instead of legs!

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Thursday, December 29 2005 @ 02:13 PM EST
    Hey all,
    Just thought I'd add my take on the whole "Pilot Fish" issue. Ok.... the Pilot Fish were not robots.... or Sycorax, they are a buch of guys following the Sycorax around looking for tasty morsels to fall by the way side.... they I'm assuming have no communication with the Sycorax.

    The Sycorax are led to Earth by Gunivere, that's where they obtained the blood etc.

    Their main purpose of the story was to alert The Doctor and company that there was a bigger nastier Alien on the way. The Doctor said "Pilot Fish" as a way to let Rose know that something bigger was coming.

    Just my 2 cents worth

    "Oh and Yes... I did interview Gigi Edgley.. just in case you were wondering... yes Gigi... Chiana from Farscape, Yup I interviewed her... in person you know...
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     Thursday, December 29 2005 @ 02:48 PM EST

    To quote Mickey: "what kind of rubbish were they?"

    But seriously, scavangers looking to pick up some morsels before the Sycorax "Rock" on a planet makes sense. Their methods were rubbish, but considering how quickly they ran, they were probably not expecting to meet with any resistance. Hey, at least the kids get to learn what pilot fish are.

    Now what that sequence presages is that we have an extremely intuitive Doctor in his tenth incarnation. He can instantly take stock of the situation, and act accordingly, even when suffering from regeneration trauma. He works out extremely quickly what the Sycorax are all about, and breaks through their "illusions". It'll be interesting to what degree this carries forward into the new series.

    Taras

    Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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     Friday, December 30 2005 @ 03:47 AM EST
    Yeah, I like that explanation! I don't like plot holes - and that filled it nicely!

    I'm looking forward to watching it again (I wasn't in when it was on and ended up watching it on video - it was a dodgy video and every 10 seconds or so the volume shot up and then back down again) - roll on Sunday! Big Grin

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Friday, December 30 2005 @ 08:45 AM EST
    Hello there, first time poster, medium time Whovian.

    Right, let's get right down on topic:

    Loved this episode, simple as that.

    Only thing was these "pilot fish":
    - Strange that they would go after Mickey and Rose instead of the power-source itself. (hm, maybe they picked up on Rose's Tardis key?)
    - The tree...well, this was rather silly, as has been noted. Why pull an elaborate stunt like that, when they could just knock Jackie out and grab the Doctor? Maybe they couldn't touch him? Afraid he might wake up? So...kill him and collect the energy? Why not a bomb, then? They seemed to like blowing up the streets of London with their brass-weapons... Razz

    Now, one greavance I see several here have that I had no trouble with was the conveniently placed platform and button. First of, it's a great plot-device to show us just what sort of Doctor this is..."No second chances..." Great stuff Smile

    Second, the Doctor could well have changed the design of the craft to meet this end. Remember captain Jack's sonic-thingy in "The Empty Child"? How he suddenly had a banana? Well, basically, I belive this to be a more elaborate example of this...what did the captain call this...something-reversal-somthing...well, you've seen it, you know what I mean.

    Right, so, great episode, can't wait 'till season 2 arrives. Season 1 has just ended here in Norway (though I had to DL the Christmas Invasion, oh, bad me), and it has gotten me back to Doctor Who after a long time without him.

    BTW, sorry for bad grammar, spelling and wrong word-usage. English is not my native tounge. Confused

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     Friday, December 30 2005 @ 09:39 AM EST

    Pilot fish... the problem I continue to have with them is that they did seem related to the Sycorax. When they were defeated (by the aiming of a fairly innoccuous Sonic Screwdriver) they teleported in exactly the same way the Sycorax teleported people up to their ship.

    So were they being teleported to the Sycorax ship? Well, obviously not, since the Sycorax ship was still hours away. (Well, how far can you teleport anyway? Perhaps that was it.)

    But either way, do all races use the same model teleporter? The one that makes you all blue and streaky and lift up into the sky?

    I'll accept that they were unrelated to the Sycorax, but they were still "rubbish" as Micky rightly pointed out. I think I'd call them the ultimate Rube Goldberg Robots. They went through the trouble to make musical instruments that performed two tasks - they actually played music, and they were flame-throwers and bazookas.

    Then they installed a remote control killing tree. Why the heck didn't they just barge in and take the Doctor if that's what they were after? Why the Rube Goldberg devices?

    And did anyone (who didn't listen to the commentary track) notice they had gloves on in scene one, but bare human hands when they were controlling the tree?

    Costume continuity error. Oooops!

    Sean.

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     Friday, December 30 2005 @ 11:53 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  seanhuxter] And did anyone (who didn't listen to the commentary track) notice they had gloves on in scene one, but bare human hands when they were controlling the tree?

    Have you tried using your Dalek remote with gloves on? Assuming you could get your "mitts on one! Wink

    Taras

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     Wednesday, January 04 2006 @ 04:27 AM EST
    Well I rather liked it. I think Tennent did well. I can't wait for season 2 to start really.

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     Wednesday, January 04 2006 @ 12:18 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  fourthof5] Well I rather liked it. I think Tennent did well. I can't wait for season 2 to start really.

    I as well can not wait for the 2006 season/Series Two/28th season or whatever anyone wants to call it. The trailer has got me juiced for the new series.

    If David Tennant's portrayal keeps up as it did in the Pudsey Cutaway (Children In Need special) and The Christmas Invasion, then it is very probable that the Tenth Doctor may become my favorite Doctor.

    Taras

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     Wednesday, January 04 2006 @ 06:16 PM EST
    Tarashnat - I think he might become mine too! He already seems to have a great balance of humour and a touch of the dark stuff too.

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 01:34 PM EST
    hello! newbie here! i love discovering new mesage boards, it's such fun ... how is everyone?

    getting back on topic ... i'll admit, i had my reservations about david tennant as the Doctor when i heard he'd replaced christopher ecclestone. i'd seen him in Blackpool and Casanova, and i knew he was certainly versatile ... but i was worried that he was cast in order to attract the younger female audience with a younger, more attractive Doctor.

    several months later and i'm happily eating my words. not once did i find myself fancying the Doctor (despite fancying david tennant in real life, if that makes sense ...) - however, several times i found myself wanting to jump on him and give him excited cuddles. i'd been looking forward to The Christmas Invasion for months (and i managed to alienate myself from most of my friends by counting down the days until doctor who instead of christmas). it didn't disappoint. yes, there was the occasional plot hole, but i'm prepared to overlook most of them. the only point that niggled me was one people don't seem to have noticed ... just before the sword fight commences, the Doctor says to the Sycorax leader something along the lines of "do you accept? or are you just a *very long indecipherable word*?" now, if the TARDIS automatically translates everything into English for Rose (and the viewers, obviously), then why doesn't it translate that word? it's probably the sort of plot bunny that'll come and bite me and make me write a fanfic ... but that was my only niggle. everything else was awesome!

    ok, that's that bit over. *waves* hello everyone! Big Grin

    "You're bonkers!" "That's debatable ..."
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