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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 02:33 PM EST
    The swear-word non-translation rankled me too. I hate it when those things happen.

    Perhaps the TARDIS couldn't translate it because there isn't an equivalent, but that's silly because it's not translating into English, it's just translating the thought-matrix into whatever decodable language the listener uses.

    Or perhaps it was a momentary glitch in the TARDIS translation function.

    Or perhaps the TARDIS has a profanity filter...

    Or perhaps... it just isn't meant to make sense.

    Sean.

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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 03:02 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  dolly_the_sheep] the only point that niggled me was one people don't seem to have noticed ... just before the sword fight commences, the Doctor says to the Sycorax leader something along the lines of "do you accept? or are you just a *very long indecipherable word*?" now, if the TARDIS automatically translates everything into English for Rose (and the viewers, obviously), then why doesn't it translate that word? it's probably the sort of plot bunny that'll come and bite me and make me write a fanfic ... but that was my only niggle. everything else was awesome!

    I wouldn't expect anything to do with the TARDIS to work properly all the time. Also, according to this episode, the Doctor is part of the circuit. It is possible that he was speaking Gallifreyan, and then switched to Sycoraxic to make a point that he knows them, and to emphasize that point disabled the translation. It has been established in a few episodes of the classic series that the Doctor has learned/knows some Earth languages (e.g. Chinese in The Talons of Weng-Chiang).

    Taras

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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 03:07 PM EST
    oooooooo ... hadn't thought of that ... i was thinking of a profanity filter too, but that explanation makes sense.

    though if it WAS a profanity filter, what could possibly be so rude that the TARDIS refuses to translate it? oh, the possibilities ...

    "You're bonkers!" "That's debatable ..."
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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 03:27 PM EST
    Personally I think the TARDIS was trying to protect Rose's delicate ears from that kind of foul language Razz

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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 04:40 PM EST
    What?! The TARDIS is turning into an old prude? I'm flabbergasted.

    I thought about that myself. It's the sort of convenient technological glitch along the lones of the Star Trek doors which have a "dramatic exit" sensor (ie two characters having an argument. One marches towards the doors - which stay uncharacteristically closed - turns to give a barbed comment to their opponent and then turns back to the doors which miraculously open right on cue to allow the dramatic exit and theme music).

    Mind you, thinking on, this Doctor Who is supposed to be a family show. I know Russell T Davies isn't afraid of putting frank language in (just watch an episode of the UK Queer as Folk to see that) but having the Doctor pick up a sword and say "do you accept or are you just a complete c*&%?" might just be a bit much for the kiddies.

    This isn't Desperate Housewives you know!

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     Thursday, January 05 2006 @ 04:48 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Abersoch] This isn't Desperate Housewives you know!

    Judging from Jackie's behaviour, I thought it was! Twisted Evil
    Taras

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     Friday, January 06 2006 @ 08:21 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  tarashnat]
    [Quote  by:  fourthof5] Well I rather liked it. I think Tennent did well. I can't wait for season 2 to start really.

    I as well can not wait for the 2006 season/Series Two/28th season or whatever anyone wants to call it. The trailer has got me juiced for the new series.

    If David Tennant's portrayal keeps up as it did in the Pudsey Cutaway (Children In Need special) and The Christmas Invasion, then it is very probable that the Tenth Doctor may become my favorite Doctor.

    Taras


    Damn I can't belive I said season 2. Its 28.

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     Tuesday, January 10 2006 @ 10:01 AM EST
    Maybe there is no English version of what he said in Sycoraxian???
    Oh by the way Hello all, It's my first post hear in the old embassy forums, i have been a lontime lurker, but i aim to change that.
    I can't wait to see whats Going to happen next, and i can't wait to see what you guys post about it.
    Heres to another Great year of The Doctor!

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     Tuesday, January 10 2006 @ 12:44 PM EST
    The problem with that logic is that the TARDIS doesn't necessarily translate into ENGLISH per se, but whatever language the listener understands.

    Maybe not even language. It just makes the meaning of what's being said in another language, meaningful to the listener, even transcending language.

    Kind of like the Babelfish. It doesn't transmit words into the ear of the listener, it simply decodes what was being said in any language, and transmits a brain wave matrix that the listener can understand in lieu of actual language.

    SO to an English speaker, the translation would appear to be in English, though in reality, it's probably just transmitting the meaning directly into the speech centers of the brain.

    If this is so, then what the Doctor called the Sycorax should still have meant SOMETHING to them, as the Doctor meant SOMETHING by saying it.

    -M-


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     Tuesday, January 10 2006 @ 02:54 PM EST
    That's what was sended in the subtitles Arrow

    0:44:06.72,0:44:09.12
    D'you accept my challenge

    0:44:09.12,0:44:12.23
    or are you just a cranak pel
    casackree salvak?

    0:44:13.19,0:44:15.40
    SYCORAX CHEER

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    -karlos-

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     Tuesday, January 10 2006 @ 06:29 PM EST
    I just kinda took it as the Doctor wanting to convey the sound of what he was saying, rather than the meaning. The Sycorax would get the meaning and the fact that he could speak their lingo. Everyone else would hear that the Doctor knows his stuff.

    I've always thought for a while that many translation systems would need some way of overriding so you could ensure someone heard the sound and not the meaning. Stuff like names, maybe.
    And if there was an override, you'd be sure that the Doctor would know how to use it.

    Tiggs

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     Wednesday, January 11 2006 @ 04:13 AM EST
    Given that The Doctor and the Tardis have a psychic-like link - he maybe made sure it didn't translate that little part. I reckon he knew that millions of families were watching at home and didn't want to offend!

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Friday, January 13 2006 @ 08:06 PM EST

    So the TARDIS can detect whether the broadcast is during watershed or not? Kool!

    Taras

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     Saturday, January 14 2006 @ 03:35 AM EST
    It was a tough decision for the Tardis - but in the end it decided to leave the words in Sycoraxian as beeping it out would have ruined the moment. Laughing Out Loud

    He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best..... "Yorkshire is a state of mind"
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     Monday, January 16 2006 @ 11:25 AM EST
    Hrm... I just saw this and my 2 cents:

    I'm quite excited about Tennant as the new Doctor, I think he's going to be really good. I get a sort of over-caffienated Tom Baker feel maybe plus a pinch of McCoy thrown in and I like it so far. I think once he's gotten settled into the role, he'll form his own Doctor.

    As for the rest of it, well I think the script could have been a lot tighter, but I think that about everything RTD writes, so I wasn't surprised. Plot holes you can put a walrus through and weird characterizations are pretty standard for him, so I wasn't expecting much in that regard to begin with. It was fun though, if you ignore the cheese, he's occasionally good at writing funny bits and dialogue.

    But, alas, I *was* rather disappointed with the Sycorax... I kept waiting for the leader to go "huu huu huuuuu" and eat something slimey. I think George Lucas wants his Huttese language back. There just wasn't really anything interesting or original about them. Kind of Standard Evil Alien #5138. There wasn't enough time in a 45 minute episode to do anything with them, which makes me wonder why they used them to begin with, instead of using an already established alien baddie. Maybe they'll bring more of them back in a later episode and flesh them out a bit, who knows.

    Well, regardless of the flaws, it was at least entertaining, and I think Tennant will be a great success. I'm already convinced I'll like him as much or more than Eccleston. I just hope they get some different writers for most of the next season, I personally just don't really care for RTD's style. :

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