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Dr. Hoo
Registered: 01/11/06
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 Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 01:23 PM EDT |
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This may have been addressed before, if so, please excuse me. Here's my question.
During the last Podcast when the guys were discussing Aliens of London, someone mentioned that it takes place 12 months after the Pilot episode (which, of course, it does) and in this episode we meet Harriet Jones.
Now, in the Christmas Invasion, we meet Harriet Jones again, and some time has obviously passed, but I'm quite certain that this is Christmas 2005 because of what was said during the Children in Need telethon when the Doctor changes course for Earth to take Rose home.
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Russel
Registered: 03/14/06
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 01:32 PM EDT |
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Well from what you see in the shot of Big Ben bering repaired you would think it is Christmas time after the events of World War III becuase the clock is not fully repaired yet. Now how much time that would be between WWW 3 and thier Xmas arrival is hard to say. It was defnately longer than 10 secs so I would think that at least a few weeks/months has passed since Jackie and Mickey saw the Tardis leaves from that episode.
Keep in mind the Doctor and Rose come back to that time line in the parting of ways, well at least Rose does. So it would seem it is Xmas of the same year that WWW 3 took place in.
Cheers,
Russel
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seanhuxter
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 01:40 PM EDT |
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Now hold on, let's not forget (SPOILERS)
In "World War III" the Doctor tells us that Harriet Jones is elected for three consecutive terms, and is the architect of Britain's Golden Age.
If that's true, and we know Harriet is taken down by six little words in "A Christmas Invasion", what does that then say about the time of "Christmas Invasion"?
He didn't say she was elected three consecutive times, indicating she may have called in-term elections, but ran three consecutive full terms.
"A Christmas Invasion" is likely somewhere in her third term, or at least late second, because the Doctor's rumor is supposed to take her down, even Russel T. Davies said that in his commentary.
So now how far into the future is "A Christmas Invasion", considering "Aliens of London/WWIII" happens a year after "Rose"?
Makes you think, no? Perhpaps Continuity is still something RTD has to work on?
Sean.
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Russel
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 02:05 PM EDT |
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(possible SPOILER) for those who have not seen the first season striaght through
Very True Sean and I hope I did not post anything too spoilery in my last post. Continuity has always been the bane of Science Fiction though. I have seen many of science ficiton /fantasy show that has a few plot holes in it during a run of series/season that never get addressed.
Cheers,
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Dr. Hoo
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 03:03 PM EDT |
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Both of your comments are dead on right and give me more food for thought. It's interesting that I've seen all of the 2005 series through at least twice and this never occured to me until after listening to the last Podcast.
Oh well, perhaps I thinketh too much! |
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mad4plaid
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 04:20 PM EDT |
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okay, but..... (yes, spoilers about future events)
So the Doctor said he knew her name b/c she was "the next coming" for England (my words, not his). Doesn't mean he wouldn't change that with a good reason. We know that the Doctor is all about not polluting the history timeline, but he does interfere and does pollute the timeline in every sense of the word. In The Long Game, it's supposed to be the 4th great and bountiful earth empire(or whatever the words were), but its not, so he makes changes without thinking about the consequences and leaves... without verifying he had corrected things, leading to The Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways, when we see how things really are messed up and why killing the news in episode 6 lead to the stagnation of earth culture in episode 12.
So he may have changed things, so what? That's why we love him.
Then again: Parliament may actually hold the No Confidence vote -- that holding the vote itself doesn't bring down her government, it may lead to elections, but perhaps the House of Commons instead votes strongly in support of her, and her government is shored up and she begins the golden era.
Just some thoughts..... |
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tarashnat
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 05:06 PM EDT |
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[spoilery?]It could also be that she is in the beginning of her terms in office (her general inexperience and the novelties of the job-personal asst. etc.). The Doctor may just be demonstrating that he could bring her government down if she does something like this again. Hey, maybe Britain's Golden Age may be the three term reign of a lame duck PM. Golden Ages are almost always referenced in hind sight. Then again, maybe the actress is afraid of being typecast and is no longer going to reprise the role, so the future history had to be rewritten to make up for this development...[/spoilery?]
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seanhuxter
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 05:54 PM EDT |
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Please highlight:
Yes, the Doctor does tend to change history, but in general, when he remembers something as being the way it was, that remains. Any changes to history he makes are kept in his brain intact.
His snafu at the station to me is just him not being as careful of some of his facts as he is with others.
As for Harriet, however, I'm afraid according to RTD's commentary for A Christmas Invasion, she is in fact gone... the Doctor's six words to the job, and she's out.
And I doubt that that's only after less than a term in office as the Doctor recalls her spending three consecutive terms and ushering in a golden age.
Still, it's time travel. They can do what they want with it and no one can argue against it.
Even if it makes no sense.
Sean.
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tarashnat
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| Tuesday, April 04 2006 @ 06:41 PM EDT |
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Retconning is so much fun... 
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, April 23 2006 @ 05:05 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: mad4plaid]
Then again: Parliament may actually hold the No Confidence vote -- that holding the vote itself doesn't bring down her government, it may lead to elections, but perhaps the House of Commons instead votes strongly in support of her, and her government is shored up and she begins the golden era.
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She claims to have won a "landslide majority". Which means that the only possible way in which she can lose is if many members of her own party were to vote against her. Whilst this would effectivly finish her political career it would also mean a general election, not something those members of her own party who had just become MPs would want.
Most likely "bring down her government" would equate to a drastic Cabinet Reshuffle. Undoubtedly very bad news for her Minister of Defence and probably the Foreign Secretary too. |
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