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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] The Doctor never uses guns. Except when he does.
Davison, for one, shot a Cyberman in the chest with a Cyber gun once. I'm sure there are several other examples as well where the Doctor actually does use a gun.
Sean.
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I know there are a few exceptions to this rule (was actually waiting for someone to catch me on that), but I always thought this was one of the best parts of the Doctor's character (even if it is sometimes brushed under the rug).
I know that the 4th (5th?) Doctor said that the TARDIS was kept in a "state of tranquility", which was basically a device to disable any guns from functioning inside of it. Was this just used in the one episode? |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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Linquel
Registered: 03/22/06
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| Wednesday, June 06 2007 @ 08:43 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: rocko] I know that the 4th (5th?) Doctor said that the TARDIS was kept in a "state of tranquility", which was basically a device to disable any guns from functioning inside of it. Was this just used in the one episode? |
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I don't recall which episode that might have been in, but it surely wasn't in effect when the cyberman shot up the TARDIS console in Earthshock preventing the Doctor from saving Adric.  |
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I'm going "Full Circle" and putting my avatar back to what it was when I first joined. :)
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Wednesday, June 06 2007 @ 08:53 PM EDT |
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"Temporal Grace" is a term dating to "Hand of Fear". It was widely forgotten in the post-Baker years, something that Peter and Colin half-remember in various DVD commentaries. Some would argue that "Changes", a Sixth Doctor comic strip by no less an author than Grant Morrison, deals with the JNT corruption of the idea by saying that the TARDIS had to be in flight for the state of temporal grace to be in effect. But we've clearly seen that RTD is no great respecter of the notion, either.
Perhaps the simplest explanation is one the Eighth Doctor gives in the recent audio adventure, "Human Resouces". There, Lucie pulls a gun on the Eighth Doctor and the other Time Lord. The Time Lord is at first unconcerned by the threat because he assumes Temporal Grace will kick in and render her threat moot. But the Eighth Doctor notes that actually they are in trouble because Temporal Grace "hasn't worked for years" on his TARDIS. |
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"I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." — JNT, 1986
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Wednesday, June 06 2007 @ 11:54 PM EDT |
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Ain't retcon a wonderful thing? |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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indiana_brian
Registered: 03/29/06
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| Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 10:34 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] | [Quote by: rocko]I agree, I loved that moment. You could really see the conflict between the personalities of John Smith and the Doctor (who, as we know, does not use guns, not even to shoot baddies like Davros when given the opportunity). |
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The Doctor never uses guns. Except when he does.
Davison, for one, shot a Cyberman in the chest with a Cyber gun once. I'm sure there are several other examples as well where the Doctor actually does use a gun.
Sean.
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The Third Doctor uses a gun to kill an Orgon in "Day of The Daleks". Although it was a ray gun brought back from the future, it is still a gun. |
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Tardis-Knight
Registered: 02/11/07
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| Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 02:38 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: DarthSkeptical] Some would argue that "Changes", a Sixth Doctor comic strip by no less an author than Grant Morrison, deals with the JNT corruption of the idea by saying that the TARDIS had to be in flight for the state of temporal grace to be in effect. |
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I had no idea Morrison had done Who. I'll have to check that out. It's funny, comics and Dr Who are two of the the big things in my life, but paradoxically I've never really embraced their meeting. How strange. |
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Nothing dies of old age on Skaro!
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 07:48 PM EDT |
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A bit late with my input - I've had my family around and my son has rather 'hogged' the computer. (with my blessing)
Anyway I loved this episode - and the two-parter - the only glitch being the punishments metered out near the end.
Is the Doctor heading towards becoming the Valeyard?
Is it a case of the Doctor and the Master - neather is 'whiter than white'
But we were right - the second half of the series has taken off!
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merlin_mccarley
Registered: 07/30/06
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| Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 08:19 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
Is the Doctor heading towards becoming the Valeyard?
Is it a case of the Doctor and the Master - neather is 'whiter than white'
Cheers, daveac |
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Yea Dave, whether or not it is true it needs to be out there as a 'Possible Future'.
"As always Doctor, you are at least two things at once."
The Master (Sort of)
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I'm a Time Traveler, I point and laugh at archaeologist.
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Thursday, June 07 2007 @ 09:45 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Tardis-Knight]I had no idea Morrison had done Who. I'll have to check that out. It's funny, comics and Dr Who are two of the the big things in my life, but paradoxically I've never really embraced their meeting. How strange. |
| | Oh, Morrison has done Who all right. He's written three stories for Doctor Who Magazine, including perhaps most famously the story that killed off fellow Scot, Jamie McCrimmon and ended the Sixth Doctor's regular comic career. He also did a notable one-issue character study of the Seventh Doctor, which was, in a roundabout way, the comic answer (well, precursor, really) to "Human Nature". The story, "Culture Shock", is further important for its art by Bryan Hitch, who, aside from being a major figure in the world of current comics, of course had significant input into the visual design of RTD Who. |
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"I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." — JNT, 1986
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Friday, June 08 2007 @ 11:27 AM EDT |
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huh? what? really? I have long lived with the happy assumption that Jamie was living back in Scotland with his mind wiped of all knowledge of time spent with the Doctor. Wow. The things I miss by not reading the comics and books. |
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supremacy is relative
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Linquel
Registered: 03/22/06
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| Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 09:25 PM EDT |
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A lost page from John Smith's Journal of Impossible Things?
Just kidding...this is from one of the old Marvel comic books. Is it me, or does the third Doctor look more like Steve Martin than Jon Pertwee?
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I'm going "Full Circle" and putting my avatar back to what it was when I first joined. :)
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Saturday, June 09 2007 @ 10:28 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: mad4plaid]
huh? what? really? I have long lived with the happy assumption that Jamie was living back in Scotland with his mind wiped of all knowledge of time spent with the Doctor. Wow. The things I miss by not reading the comics and books. |
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To the ripe old age of two hundred fifty-something?  |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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milesteg
Registered: 06/09/07
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| Sunday, June 10 2007 @ 11:17 AM EDT |
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| Am I the only one who thought that the theme music for this episode was reminiscent of the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" theme? i.e. the first four or five bars - a good example is at 39 minutes directly after the trench warfare scene when the scene changes to the old war veteran at the memorial service... anyone think the same? |
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