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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 12:13 AM EDT
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    But they were Quantum Locked when "any living thing" sees them. Cats? Rats? Dogs? Anything?


    That's funny, because that's just the question philosophers ask about quantum mechanics measurements. Some say that sentience must be involved, or else no measurements are possible. Others have a more "generic" view of what constitutes a measurement.


    So if a tree falls in a forest, on a weeping angel, and no one is around to see it....

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 03:55 AM EDT
    I can't get the time travel thing in this episode! The Doctor travels through time but Sally doesn't. Am I missing something simple? Can anyone get me past the "Timey-Wimey" thing?

    At the end of the episode, Sally gives the Doctor the file containing the transcript to the conversation with the Easter Egg on the DVD. At this point, the Doctor and Sally are at the same point in time.

    The Doctor can go back in time (as he does at some point in the future) and appears on the DVD but Sally can't! How did Sally have the conversation with the Doctor and write the transcript in order to give it to him later as the Doctor was warning Sally about the Weeping Angels but Sally would have had to live past this in order to give the Doctor the transcript in the first place. Looks like she couldnt have lived past the conversation (to get to her future to pass on the file) without giving the Doctor the transcript and she couldnt have given it to him if she had been touched by an angel.

    Im well and truly lost on this one!

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 04:08 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  JimmyK] I can't get the time travel thing in this episode! The Doctor travels through time but Sally doesn't. Am I missing something simple? Can anyone get me past the "Timey-Wimey" thing?

    At the end of the episode, Sally gives the Doctor the file containing the transcript to the conversation with the Easter Egg on the DVD. At this point, the Doctor and Sally are at the same point in time.

    The Doctor can go back in time (as he does at some point in the future) and appears on the DVD but Sally can't! How did Sally have the conversation with the Doctor and write the transcript in order to give it to him later as the Doctor was warning Sally about the Weeping Angels but Sally would have had to live past this in order to give the Doctor the transcript in the first place. Looks like she couldnt have lived past the conversation (to get to her future to pass on the file) without giving the Doctor the transcript and she couldnt have given it to him if she had been touched by an angel.

    Im well and truly lost on this one!

    Humm, well in truth this is one of the reasons Time Travel stories appeal to many of us here (I hope I am not speaking out of turn). In our own expierence we see events follow A-B-C-D-etc. but in a non-linear view of time A does not have to come first or last, it just needs to occour. It does seem to take free will out of the equasion, if any of the major events in the story had not happened then the probabilities might have collapsed and then, well the Doctor whould just have to wait 37 or 38 years to get his TARDIS back. That is if he could avoid the temptation of hijcaking himself in one of his many visits to Earth in the meantime Wink .

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 09:38 AM EDT
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    But they were Quantum Locked when "any living thing" sees them. Cats? Rats? Dogs? Anything? Or is it just things that could possibly kill them? Sean.


    Cats, rats, or dogs? Nah. What about pidgeons?

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 12:52 PM EDT
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    So if a tree falls in a forest, on a weeping angel, and no one is around to see it....

    Wink


    Then it can jump out of the way.

    Or - since we're talking Quantum Mechanics - obsering that event with change the outcome.

    We don't observe - the Angel lives.

    We do observe - the Angel dies.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 02:17 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  JimmyK] I can't get the time travel thing in this episode! The Doctor travels through time but Sally doesn't. Am I missing something simple? Can anyone get me past the "Timey-Wimey" thing?

    At the end of the episode, Sally gives the Doctor the file containing the transcript to the conversation with the Easter Egg on the DVD. At this point, the Doctor and Sally are at the same point in time.

    The Doctor can go back in time (as he does at some point in the future) and appears on the DVD but Sally can't! How did Sally have the conversation with the Doctor and write the transcript in order to give it to him later as the Doctor was warning Sally about the Weeping Angels but Sally would have had to live past this in order to give the Doctor the transcript in the first place. Looks like she couldnt have lived past the conversation (to get to her future to pass on the file) without giving the Doctor the transcript and she couldnt have given it to him if she had been touched by an angel.

    Im well and truly lost on this one!


    That's truly the wibbly-wobbly, timey-whimey part! I've read many such sci-fi stories about "closed causal loops" such as this one. The existence of the transcript depends upon the existence of the conversation, which depends on the existence of the transcript, and on and on and on... Makes you dizzy, eh?

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 08:36 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  mad4plaid] Jack's back... As worried as Darth seems to be about that (and by the way, Boom Town was one of my favorite episodes of Nine's as well), I'm taking a cue from Whodovoodoo and keeping my expectations low.


    I was trying to find the Darth post you were referring to, but I didn't see anything offhand. I know I'm a little skeptical myself about Jack in the preview. Him clinging to the outside of the TARDIS as it flies through the vortex is a little too Bill & Ted for me. I mean, I could almost buy it if it were just flying through space like in Runaway Bride. But to get into the vortex, it dematerializes. If he grabbed onto it before it left, it would just fade away and he would fall to the ground. As funny as the arrow from the end of Shakespeare Code was, it didn't make much sense either. Somehow the TARDIS can withstand the blistering heat of the sun in 42 without so much as a spot of soot, and yet a bow can somehow propel an arrow into the surface of it. Rolling Eyes

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 09:05 PM EDT
    Just watched Blink last night - blinkin' brilliant! We had the lights off, sound turned up - awesome! I think I can recall a moment of synchronised jumping - lest we be touched by an angel... A stand out episode that will remain one that I know I'll keep coming back to in years to come.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 10:08 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Linquel] Somehow the TARDIS can withstand the blistering heat of the sun in 42 without so much as a spot of soot, and yet a bow can somehow propel an arrow into the surface of it. Rolling Eyes
    Heh, that's a really good point.

    I tell you what would've been cool, and probably pretty cheap on the SFX budget. If the wooden exterior had in fact been shown to have been charred black, but then instantly returned to its natural condition once the Doctor and Martha got in proximity of it. Then there'd at least be the implication that link between man and machine is deeper than we'd imagined. Course, then, you'd have to explain why the Ninth Doctor was insistent the kid scrub "Bad Wolf" from the exterior, and, I suppose, why the Seventh Doctor had to clean up the, ugh, pink in "Happiness".

    At the end of the day, though, both are really easily explained by suggesting that the chameleon circuit is quite firmly stuck.

    If i were designing a chameleon circuit, with the object of making it blend it with its surroundings, I would try to make the form behave like the object should behave. So if it got burnt or encountered a force that would shatter it, I would program the thing to appear as if it were undergoing that metamorphosis. Then attackers would leave it behind in peace, thinking they'd achieved their goal. The Doctor comes back, produces the key, and presto, the thing snaps back into shape.

    But the Doctor's chameleon circuit being stuck, all it can really do is maintain the current shape. So it "tolerates" low-level change, such as a nick in its surface caused by an arrow, or a bit of paint on its exterior, But much more than that—like the times it's fallen a distance that really should've smashed it if it were actually wood—and it can't reproduce the illusion of being destroyed.

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 02:50 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Linquel] I was trying to find the Darth post you were referring to, but I didn't see anything offhand. I know I'm a little skeptical myself about Jack in the preview.


    I probably didn't explain myself well. You and I are referring to the same quote:

    Linquel, it is the same one I am talking about.

    [Quote  by:  DarthSkeptical] . . . .And that's precisely why "Boom Town" is my favorite episode of Series 1. It's just fun to have that many regulars around—when and only when they've all got something interesting to add to the narrative.

    . . . . The general lack of care in crossing all the "t"s with Jack since "Parting of the Ways" is one of the things making me nervous about the rest of series 3. Yeah it'll never be explained why Mickey never cared about Jack after "Boom Town", but if we don't get some seriously clever background on Jack's "gap year", then I'm gonna be one very unhappy customer. The preview of him hanging onto the side of the TARDIS in flight is hardly an intriguing step in that direction.


    My concern wasn't regarding the preview of him hanging onto the side of the Tardis, as I just rolled my eyes and thought "whatever," when I saw that. I was more concerned - which is what I perceived Darth's comment to be - about some closure on the Jack backstory. Are we never going to find out about his missing two years? Is he going to just show up and be alright with a new Doctor and Rose being gone? Will he be as happy-go-lucky as he was when last with the Tardis (prior to gallantly sacrificing his life and being unceremoniously brought BACK to life) which means they just ignore the whole Torchwood time, or will he be the changed man that we saw in Torchwood.

    . . . . not to take over this conversation of BLINK with talk of Jack's Back.

    BACK to Blink: I was walking to the train this morning, and I tend to take a slightly different path through the blocks each time, and what did I see at one corner? A statuary of an angel hiding its eyes. I just stood and stared at it a bit. I was creeped out. But I was able to turn my head and walk away..... and I only looked back once. Luckily it had not moved closer!

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 03:04 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  mad4plaid] BACK to Blink: I was walking to the train this morning, and I tend to take a slightly different path through the blocks each time, and what did I see at one corner? A statuary of an angel hiding its eyes. I just stood and stared at it a bit. I was creeped out. But I was able to turn my head and walk away..... and I only looked back once. Luckily it had not moved closer!

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 07:22 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  mad4plaid] BACK to Blink: I was walking to the train this morning, and I tend to take a slightly different path through the blocks each time, and what did I see at one corner? A statuary of an angel hiding its eyes. I just stood and stared at it a bit. I was creeped out. But I was able to turn my head and walk away..... and I only looked back once. Luckily it had not moved closer!


    It's funny you should mention that - I'd not heard from my ex for months (we're cool, we're friendly), and on Sunday evening, out of the blue, she text to tell me she'd kept a very close eye on the statues when she was at church that morning for her niece's christening!

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 08:36 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Linquel]Him clinging to the outside of the TARDIS as it flies through the vortex is a little too Bill & Ted for me.


    This comment of mine and reading about prestination paradoxes online got me thinking a lot about Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, so I decided to watch it again. I always loved the movie. It's just been a while since I watched it. So I'm watching it, and as they're sneaking into the police station I had a Blink moment. They find a note in a typewriter that they write to themselves in the future that says, "P.S. Duck." It made me think of the Duck on the wall in Blink. Big Grin

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 09:34 PM EDT
    Oh, I think it's pretty clear that the writer was a fan of Bill 'n' Ted.

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     Thursday, June 14 2007 @ 10:00 PM EDT
    So I've just watched this thing for the umpteenth time, and I gotta wonder: wouldn't there have been one "reality" in which the Doctor and Martha waited until 2007 for Billy to have delivered the message? And at that moment, that timeline would've been closed to them because of Sally's actions. I mean the Doctor and Martha that will appear in "Utopia"—sure to them the events of "Blink" would've happend in a blink. But the first trip down the timeline, they had to wait just like everyone else, didn't they?

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