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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 09:57 AM EDT
    Hang ON!!! Spoilers likely Below !!

    Thread wasn't here yet, wanted to post this screen shot.
    Hope I didn't step on any toes starting this thread.
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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 10:07 AM EDT


    Hey Ron... No, no toes were stepped on (at least none that I am aware of at this time). As with most things relating to Doctor Who, it was only a matter of time before this thread started... so why not you?

    Nice screenshot... Though ever since I first saw this scene, I had a slight problem with it as I always thought when the TARDIS dematerializes it wouldn't automatically take whatever is clinging on to it... The same goes with the arrow at the end of The Shakespeare Code and again in the beginning of Gridlock.

    I always feel if the TARDIS dematerializes, whatever is hanging onto it, will fall off -- be it snowflakes or a Captain Jack.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 10:11 AM EDT
    That is exactly the reason I loved the Tardis' entrance in the Christmas invasion. Was that the first time it actually 'flew' in instead of materializing?

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 10:20 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  tardisious] That is exactly the reason I loved the Tardis' entrance in the Christmas invasion. Was that the first time it actually 'flew' in instead of materializing?


    Not the first, after all, it was just the year prior in The Christmas Invasion that we saw the TARDIS crash land smacking into power lines and such in the process.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 11:13 AM EDT
    I think I'm right in saying that the TARDIS has been seen as at least stationary in space (implying normal space flight capabilities, because it takes energy to remain stationary in space) in just about every Doctor's era. Full-on propulsion in space is rather more rarely depicted, but does date back to "Fury From the Deep". Movement through the time vortex has been shown only since the 1996 movie, and really hasn't been prominently depicted in stories but since 2005. So we're kinda in uncharted territory here with this "Utopia" picture, much as we were with "Parting of the Ways" when it showed that the TARDIS could intentionally materialize around solid objects, such as people.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 11:18 AM EDT
    By the way: anyone want to lay odds on the supposition that this screencap is actually a special title sequence for this episode—a clever way to get around John Barrowman's name having to be put before the Doctor Who logo?

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 12:01 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Louis]Though ever since I first saw this scene, I had a slight problem with it as I never thought when the TARDIS dematerializes it wouldn't automatically take whatever is clinging on to it... The same goes with the arrow at the end of The Shakespeare Code and again in the beginning of Gridlock.
    Although very cool to see, I also never thought that the TARDIS could take something attached to it. If this were the case, then it should've been blown up by the Cybermen in The Five Doctors...that's the only other scene that immediately comes to mind, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 12:26 PM EDT

    Have you noticed this year that the Episode threads have been starting earlier and earlier? Even been guilty of it myself Oops! . Oh well, lets get this to 4 pages before the episode even airs, that will show those BBC folk who's boss Confused ... Er, well anyway post till your fingers turn fuchsia.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 12:47 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  sgb1975] Although very cool to see, I also never thought that the TARDIS could take something attached to it. If this were the case, then it should've been blown up by the Cybermen in The Five Doctors...that's the only other scene that immediately comes to mind, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.


    Well here's a thought, perhaps no body could hold onto the Tardis - even Captain Jack - as it flies through Space & Time.

    BUT captain Jack has the 'doctor's hand' on him and the Tardis recognising the Doctors 'DNA' is outside - it extents it's protective field - protecting it and Captain Jack.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 01:44 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  daveac]
    [Quote  by:  sgb1975] Although very cool to see, I also never thought that the TARDIS could take something attached to it. If this were the case, then it should've been blown up by the Cybermen in The Five Doctors...that's the only other scene that immediately comes to mind, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.


    Well here's a thought, perhaps no body could hold onto the Tardis - even Captain Jack - as it flies through Space & Time.

    BUT captain Jack has the 'doctor's hand' on him and the Tardis recognising the Doctors 'DNA' is outside - it extents it's protective field - protecting it and Captain Jack.

    Cheers, daveac
    But if the TARDIS was able to recognize the Doctor's DNA outside of it, you'd also have to think that it'd have some kind of failsafe mechanism built into it, so it wouldn't dematerialize, as clinging to the TARDIS as it whips through the space/time vortex is probably not a preferred method of travel. Plus, there have been numerous mentions of the TARDIS having some level of intelligence, and you would think that it'd be smart enough to recognize that The Doctor was already inside the TARDIS.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 02:11 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  sgb1975] But if the TARDIS was able to recognize the Doctor's DNA outside of it, you'd also have to think that it'd have some kind of failsafe mechanism built into it, so it wouldn't dematerialize, as clinging to the TARDIS as it whips through the space/time vortex is probably not a preferred method of travel. Plus, there have been numerous mentions of the TARDIS having some level of intelligence, and you would think that it'd be smart enough to recognize that The Doctor was already inside the TARDIS.


    Perhaps it just recognises it as 'Timelord' DNA - rather than specifically the Doctor's DNA.

    So if the Doctor 'throws the flight controls' it obays - but at the same time it protects the lifeform outside.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 02:22 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  DarthSkeptical] So we're kinda in uncharted territory here with this "Utopia" picture, much as we were with "Parting of the Ways" when it showed that the TARDIS could intentionally materialize around solid objects, such as people.


    I'm pretty sure the TARDIS has materialized around objects before that. I recall at least one instance, which was when two TARDISes materialized around each other (the Master's and the Doctor's).

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 02:42 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  rocko]
    [Quote  by:  DarthSkeptical] So we're kinda in uncharted territory here with this "Utopia" picture, much as we were with "Parting of the Ways" when it showed that the TARDIS could intentionally materialize around solid objects, such as people.


    I'm pretty sure the TARDIS has materialized around objects before that. I recall at least one instance, which was when two TARDISes materialized around each other (the Master's and the Doctor's).

    Indeed, in "The Time Monster" and "Logopolis" we see the problems involved with having a TARDIS inside another TARDIS. On another vein, it is entirely possible that the TARDIS could recognize several identical versions of the Doctor, while I am sure it is not factory (or farm) recomended that TARDIS users should be in the same place twice at the same time, the Doctor has done so on more than one occasion.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 04:22 PM EDT

    The TARDIS materialized around a Dalek and Rose in The Parting of the Ways.

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     Wednesday, June 13 2007 @ 05:47 PM EDT
    Forget about going back to the "classic" past for an explanation of this screen shot. You have to just go back to last week. How can Jack have grabbed the outside of the TARDIS and been materialized with it, when the angels couldn't do the same thing? Maybe something to do with the telepathic link granted to companions? The TARDIS has done some very peculiar and specific things of late. Again returning to "Blink", the TARDIS can apparently choose/be programmed to materialize away from its interior occupants; I suppose a natural corollary is that it can choose which exterior passengers to bring along with it?

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