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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 10:53 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Linquel]As much as I loved the Star Wars movies, I never read any of the comics. The only non-movie stuff I tried was the book Splinter of the Mind's Eye and that was years ago. I'll have to see if they're available in graphic novel format. It sounds interesting.
    Sorry, hijacking the thread for just another second.
    Splinter's an interesting place to start, as it was the very first Expanded Universe pit stop, written before the release of The Empire Strikes Back. (Well, okay, some people believe the Star Wars novelization was actually first, as it predates the release of what became A New Hope. Some true EU junkies with long memories actually view ANH as an adaptation of a book, since the book came out substantially before the film.

    Anyway, the core Aayla story is entirely available in trade. Here's a list of the important bits. The trades are at the top of the list; althugh, this list, in sorting alphabetically, goes anti-chronologically. Her initial story arcs are in the trades labelled simply Star Wars TPB.


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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 03:27 PM EDT
    Jacking clinging on to the TARDIS:

    I like to think of the TARDIS as something with some sort of personality of it's own. Maybe it thought "wahay! The Captain's back! He's cute, I may be an object, but he'll do anything that moves!"

    The episode was brilliant, can't wait to see how this one pans out. Possibility of other timelords in human form now too.

    I've purposefully not read any spoiler threads as I want this one to be a surprise!

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 03:37 PM EDT


    And with this Post uppon this day the 20th Day of the Month of June in the Year 2007-

    S3-Ep 11 'Utopia'

    Officially

    Surpasses the Love and Monsters thread in number of posts. We may all wipe the sweat from our collective brows at this point.

    Cheers,
    Mike M.

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 04:19 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Dangermouse]Possibility of other timelords in human form now too.

    A very good point which I had not considered. The Face of Boe never said there is 1 other...he (it?) said that The Doctor is not alone, leaving open the possibility that there are multiple others out there.

    Maybe these chameleon arches even come in larger, more scaleable versions, where you can process many people at a time, as opposed to single-person TARDIS models? Perhaps on some world there is a large group of humans living their lives oblivious to the fact that they were once Timelords, just waiting for someone to come along and restore them? Next year's S4 finale perhaps? If not sooner...

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:04 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  BadWolf]

    I don't disagree entirely but how many were disappointed by the Cyber/Dalek war closer for series two?

    Yes, good point.

    If I was analysing the last 3 years, I'd probably say that year 2 was, on the whole, not as good as the seasons either side of it. & that includes its concluding big bang finale episodes (granted we've not yet seen series 3 bbf episodes).

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:08 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  merlin_mccarley]

    And with this Post uppon this day the 20th Day of the Month of June in the Year 2007-

    S3-Ep 11 'Utopia'

    Officially

    Surpasses the Love and Monsters thread in number of posts. We may all wipe the sweat from our collective brows at this point.

    Cheers,
    Mike M.


    Although you've changed your avatar Merlin, based on your previous one, I could imagine you in a long red coat, a frilly shirt and a gold leaf tri-pointer black hat. You've kinda got that look about you. Big Grin

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:16 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Tardis-Knight]

    Although you've changed your avatar Merlin, based on your previous one, I could imagine you in a long red coat, a frilly shirt and a gold leaf tri-pointer black hat. You've kinda got that look about you. Big Grin


    Well I haven't worked out what the Avatar is yet?

    It seems to be a cross between the Masters Grandfarther clock and one of those instuments to simulate Lightning strikes.

    Cheers, daveac

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:22 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  daveac]
    [Quote  by:  Tardis-Knight]

    Although you've changed your avatar Merlin, based on your previous one, I could imagine you in a long red coat, a frilly shirt and a gold leaf tri-pointer black hat. You've kinda got that look about you. Big Grin


    Well I haven't worked out what the Avatar is yet?

    It seems to be a cross between the Masters Grandfarther clock and one of those instuments to simulate Lightning strikes.

    Cheers, daveac


    As to Tardis-Kinght's Post, well I really don't know how to reply to that one. But as to Dave's question that's an easy one-

    The Long Now Foundation's Protoype 10,000 Year Clock

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:27 PM EDT
    Hope I didnt offend - it certainly wasnt meant that way. Eek!

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     Wednesday, June 20 2007 @ 06:31 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Tardis-Knight] Hope I didnt offend - it certainly wasnt meant that way. Eek!


    None taken, just a hard look to pull off. Rather like a Jon Pertwee outfit, in fact very like his first costume I suppose.

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     Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 02:09 AM EDT
    I've got to revisit this point for one moment. I think I hear everyone's problem with the end of Torchwood and the beginning of 'Utopia', but if you investigate the episodes further you'll realize that you can make them work.

    In the last scene of Torchwood we never actually see the TARDIS materialize inside of TW headquarters. We only hear it. Now I will grant you that when Gwen enters the room and finds Jack gone it could be implied that the TARDIS was there based on the papers and such we see blowing around in the room which is a common occurance after the TARDIS vanishes in some DW episodes.

    But I think that if we stretch our imagination just a bit, I think that we can assume that Jack hears the TARDIS materialize OUTSIDE the TW HQ, and uses the alternate lift up through the false doors/sidewalk above (ala episode 1). The wind currents blowing through the room are generated by the doors being opened at the top of the lift's shaft. There you have it.

    Although I can't yet reconcile the fact that the last shot that pulls way back over Cartiff at the end of TW is in the daylight, and the Doctor and Martha appear to have arrived in the evening in 'Utopia'.

    Hmmmmmm.....

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     Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 09:21 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  The 11th Doctor] I've got to revisit this point for one moment. I think I hear everyone's problem with the end of Torchwood and the beginning of 'Utopia', but if you investigate the episodes further you'll realize that you can make them work.

    In the last scene of Torchwood we never actually see the TARDIS materialize inside of TW headquarters. We only hear it. Now I will grant you that when Gwen enters the room and finds Jack gone it could be implied that the TARDIS was there based on the papers and such we see blowing around in the room which is a common occurance after the TARDIS vanishes in some DW episodes.

    But I think that if we stretch our imagination just a bit, I think that we can assume that Jack hears the TARDIS materialize OUTSIDE the TW HQ, and uses the alternate lift up through the false doors/sidewalk above (ala episode 1). The wind currents blowing through the room are generated by the doors being opened at the top of the lift's shaft. There you have it.

    Although I can't yet reconcile the fact that the last shot that pulls way back over Cartiff at the end of TW is in the daylight, and the Doctor and Martha appear to have arrived in the evening in 'Utopia'.

    Hmmmmmm.....

    You're right about the final scene of Torchwood. I hadn't seen it for several months, and thought I remembered the TARDIS materializing inside the Torchwood hub. I finally found my copy of EoD this morning, and realized that it never appeared, and that it's just the sound of the TARDIS we hear.

    Not sure I buy how he could hear the TARDIS so far underground, but I think your explanation is definitely plausible and seems to fill in a couple of plot holes we throught existed. Good job on setting us straight...

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     Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 09:37 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  sgb1975]

    Not sure I buy how he could hear the TARDIS so far underground, but I think your explanation is definitely plausible and seems to fill in a couple of plot holes we throught existed. Good job on setting us straight...


    Well in the Torchwood episode where they were trapped in their own base - they managed to use the big central waterfall tower as a means of getting a mobile signal out - so maybe it could also act as a 'sounding board' amplifing the Tardis groans.......and PLEASE....no groans over that idea! Cool

    Cheers, daveac

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     Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 09:47 AM EDT
    Yes we heard the TARDIS sound, but remeber there was also the TARDIS wind blowing the papers around.

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     Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 06:23 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  sgb1975]
    [Quote  by:  The 11th Doctor] I've got to revisit this point for one moment. I think I hear everyone's problem with the end of Torchwood and the beginning of 'Utopia', but if you investigate the episodes further you'll realize that you can make them work.

    In the last scene of Torchwood we never actually see the TARDIS materialize inside of TW headquarters. We only hear it. Now I will grant you that when Gwen enters the room and finds Jack gone it could be implied that the TARDIS was there based on the papers and such we see blowing around in the room which is a common occurance after the TARDIS vanishes in some DW episodes.

    But I think that if we stretch our imagination just a bit, I think that we can assume that Jack hears the TARDIS materialize OUTSIDE the TW HQ, and uses the alternate lift up through the false doors/sidewalk above (ala episode 1). The wind currents blowing through the room are generated by the doors being opened at the top of the lift's shaft. There you have it.

    Although I can't yet reconcile the fact that the last shot that pulls way back over Cartiff at the end of TW is in the daylight, and the Doctor and Martha appear to have arrived in the evening in 'Utopia'.

    Hmmmmmm.....

    You're right about the final scene of Torchwood. I hadn't seen it for several months, and thought I remembered the TARDIS materializing inside the Torchwood hub. I finally found my copy of EoD this morning, and realized that it never appeared, and that it's just the sound of the TARDIS we hear.

    Not sure I buy how he could hear the TARDIS so far underground, but I think your explanation is definitely plausible and seems to fill in a couple of plot holes we throught existed. Good job on setting us straight...


    Actually the problem with that scenario is that in the closing of EOD we clearly see the jar with the hand in the hub but in Utopia Jack has it in his bag

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