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     Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 08:01 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Will-I-Am]At this point, it's truly got to be one or the other, I think. The "future humans" angle from the rocketship in Utopia makes a lot of sense from one vantage point that ties up that loose end, and yet so does the resurrection of the Time Lords, ala "the children who ran away," as mentioned in the Gallifrey flashback last week.


    As you mentioned, it could go either way. The only other thing that could indicate it's the latter is the final episode title. I'll white it out in case anyone has been avoiding ep titles as spoilery.

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    The final title is The Last of the Time Lords. This could be referring to either the Doctor, the Master or both. Or it could also be referring to the long lost last of the Time Lords, either the children who ran away as you suggest or Time Lords from an alternate universe. The only reason I mention the alternate universe is the Paradox Machine and the tear in space they come out of. <== End

    I'm going "Full Circle" and putting my avatar back to what it was when I first joined. :)
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     Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 09:15 AM EDT
    Not only would revealing them to be the humans from "Utopia" tie up a plot hole, but it would also make a lot of sense of the Master's comment to the Doctor that the secret will "break your heart": he knows well the Doctor's love of humanity, and to see the last humans reduced to tin cans serving the Master would definitely cut right to the Doctor's heart.

    The problem for me with the theory that the Toclafane are Timelords is that the Master genuinely seems shocked to discover in this episode that Gallifrey & the Timelords were wiped out in the Time War. That doesn't sit well with him already being well progressed in a scheme involving contact with their disembodied minds/souls...

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     Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 09:18 AM EDT
    ps Linquel, I miss your old photo... Frown

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     Tuesday, June 26 2007 @ 09:55 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Linquel]Begin ==>
    The final title is The Last of the Time Lords. This could be referring to either the Doctor, the Master or both. Or it could also be referring to the long lost last of the Time Lords, either the children who ran away as you suggest or Time Lords from an alternate universe. The only reason I mention the alternate universe is the Paradox Machine and the tear in space they come out of. <== End
    I agree and think this is a definite possibility. I'm not going to bother whiting out my whole response...the title of the final episode is featured prominently on the main page of this site, so 99% of people probably know it anyway and shouldn't be reading here. So skip the rest if you don't know the title...



    ...you've been warned.


    I mentioned in the Utopia thread that when the Face of Boe said that The Doctor was not alone, he didn't simply say that there is just 1 other (i.e. The Master). Saying that The Doctor is "not alone" leaves open the possibility that there are many other Time Lords still out there as well. When I now re-read the title of the final episode, "The Last of the Time Lords", I think the same could also apply here. I think most of us when we first heard the title, probably assumed that TLotTL is The Doctor, as that is how he's referred to himself throughout all of the new series. But it could also be referring to a larger group. The "Last" of the Time Lords could also be a group hidden on Utopia, waiting for the right moment to re-appear.

    What does this have to do with the Toclafane? I don't know. But I hope they're not mini-Time Lords or humans. They don't seem to be under the direct control of The Master. They seem to want to make their move ASAP, but The Master tells them they'll have to hold off until 8:02am. Seems to me that if he controlled them, they wouldn't have even bothered to ask. While he does control the means of getting them through to Earth, via the Paradox Machine, I don't necessarily believe that he has any control over their actions. Along with this, if they were mini-Time Lords or humans, I don't they'd be malevelont to other races as they were in this week's episode.

    Only a few more days, then we'll know for sure.

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     Saturday, June 30 2007 @ 03:54 AM EDT
    One problem with them being the humans from Utopia, if I remember correctly the Master mentions that there are six billion Toclafane and there were maybe a few thousand humans in Utopia. For a totally random guess, what of they were the humans from the dimension Rose is in. The Master arrived on earth since sometime before Love and Monsters, maybe his paradox machine created the dimensional hole that the Tardis fell through last season. The Doctor thinks Rose is safe in another universe, but the Master has caused that universe to collapse or at least destroyed the Earth. Something like that would cause the Doctor's hearts to break.

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     Saturday, June 30 2007 @ 04:30 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Joshuam] One problem with them being the humans from Utopia, if I remember correctly the Master mentions that there are six billion Toclafane and there were maybe a few thousand humans in Utopia. For a totally random guess, what of they were the humans from the dimension Rose is in. The Master arrived on earth since sometime before Love and Monsters, maybe his paradox machine created the dimensional hole that the Tardis fell through last season. The Doctor thinks Rose is safe in another universe, but the Master has caused that universe to collapse or at least destroyed the Earth. Something like that would cause the Doctor's hearts to break.


    An interesting idea but we don't know how many humans made it to Utopia over the years, we don't even know how many humans were at the base while the Doctor, Martha and Jack were there let alone how many humans made it to Utopia from other planets ( or if any made it at all ).

    I was thinking the Toclafane might be timelords, especially with the Master's referance to a new Gallifreyan empire but if they are the humans from Utopia and the only way to stop them was to destroy them making the Doctor the destroyer of the last humans sure would be an interesting twist given his affection for the human race.


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     Saturday, June 30 2007 @ 05:34 AM EDT
    perhaps the Toclafane are the cousins of the Tralfamadore who took Billy Pilgrim away in Slaughterhouse 5... Big Grin

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     Sunday, July 01 2007 @ 10:24 PM EDT
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    The anagram that I think will mean the most in the finale is:

    A LONE FACT

    Though other candidates can be

    A FOCAL NET
    AN OLE FACT
    ACT OF ELAN

    Well, there will definately be the last one, but will that be the hidden meaning in Toclafane, or is there something completely different.

    OK, so it was a lone word, though that can be thought of as a fact. And it used a "focal net".

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