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Magpie
Registered: 06/29/06
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Yeah this left me a little flat as well, for some reason. I was so excited, too.
It surprised me that characters actually died - though of course you knew Kylie was going to die the minute the Doctor agreed to take her on.
As for the new theme - I like it, it's a little nod to the late 80's theme version.
I also really disliked the bit with the angels at the end, lifting him up - just as I hated the messianic stuff at the end of series 3. I wish they'd just cut out that business.
Oh and ONCE AGAIN we have the Doctor saving the earth. When can he just save the day? Why does the entire fate of humanity always have to rest on whatever he is doing? How do you build up dramatic tension when it's the same thing at stake every single episode and you KNOW he's not going to fail? They've really written themselves into a hole with this - trying to top the last disaster each episode. I adore David Tennant, but if his Doctor is always going to be quasi-Jesus get rid of him and bring on a less ambitious incarnation. And at least 3 or 4 companions, please |
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Sunday, December 30 2007 @ 07:32 AM EST |
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[Quote by: Magpie]
I also really disliked the bit with the angels at the end, lifting him up - just as I hated the messianic stuff at the end of series 3. I wish they'd just cut out that business.
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I didn't like that at all.
I've just watched the Confidencial - and enjoyed it - so I watched VOTD again.
I've decided I liked the first 40 minutes or so - but then there were a number of RTD things I just didn't like - and am still angry that (for me) they spoiled the show.
Cheers, daveac
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Russel
Registered: 03/14/06
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| Sunday, December 30 2007 @ 04:18 PM EST |
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Hi folks,
Just wanted to say I am sorry I missed the Talkshoe discussion today. I have been nursing a cold and have been sleeping alot of it off and completely forgot about today's discussion.
As it is I just have enough energy to record my own show today. Not that I have had luck with Talkshoe in the past. I look forward to listening to it and hope to try joining you all in a future discussion show.
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Mawdryn
Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 55
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| Sunday, December 30 2007 @ 04:40 PM EST |
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Like many, I have mixed feelings about this story. I'm about to watch it a second time and I wonder if maybe my expectations were too high the first time around. Overall, I felt the story dragged in some parts and certain themes are being repeated too much.
Just a few episodes ago, in 42, we had the scenario of a space ship in danger and a small group rushing to save the day. While that story had its weak points, I felt the danger was much more real. In Voyage, I never felt that sense of wondering how the Doctor would get out of the situation.
As others have noted, any Doctor Who is good and it is good to have a helping of the show during the break between series. |
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shockeye07
Registered: 02/14/07
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| Monday, December 31 2007 @ 04:55 AM EST |
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| I mostly enjoyed it. There was a lot of fun elements to it. The only things I did'nt like was the scene with the Queen at the end, to cheesy & Kylie's "acting". Thank goodness she was killed off.Wooden does'nt begin to describe it. |
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Tardis-Knight
Registered: 02/11/07
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| Monday, December 31 2007 @ 10:39 AM EST |
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I was back at work today and someone mentioned it. There were about 4 or 5 people in our team (none of them particularly committed Doctor Who fans) and everyone said they really enjoyed it. It got a big thumbs up all round. The only negative comment was someone thought the Queen/Buck Palace scene was a bit stupid.
They all know I'm a long-time Doctor Who nerd and when I mentioned there was a fair bit of negativity towards it on the website I go on, they were all a bit quizical and surprised. |
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sgb1975
Registered: 06/19/06
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| Monday, December 31 2007 @ 02:58 PM EST |
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*** Wild speculation begin (possible finale spoilers): ***
Ok, you've been warned. One thing about VotD that captured my attention was the line towards the end of the episode directed at The Doctor...something to the effect of how we can't choose who lives or dies - anybody who could do so would be a monster. Anyway, with the rumored companion-fest set for the S4 finale, imagine The Doctor being put into the position by the chief villian (Sontarans/Davros/whomever), where all of the companions (Donna, Martha, Rose and/or SJS), are being held captive and put into mortal danger, and The Doctor will be able to save all but 1...who would he leave out? Perhaps this would send The Doctor into a downward spiral, even more so than after Rose left. This might be a good segway into the mini-hiatus expected after S4. Could just be that I've got a lot of time to think about this stuff, but I think that's probably better than any of the stories we're getting now...or I could be completely wrong, but it's still fun to guess what we're going to see...
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NorthernLassUK
Registered: 09/08/06
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| Monday, December 31 2007 @ 10:37 PM EST |
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[Quote by: Linquel] I'm a little annoyed that the BBC isn't making the commentary for VotD available as a downloadable MP3 file.  |
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I was also dissapointed at not being able to download the commentary, hope they sort out the legal issues before the next series starts as one of the highlights of my saturday evenings is rewatching that nights episode with the commentary  |
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Smitty
Registered: 02/10/07
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| Tuesday, January 01 2008 @ 01:35 AM EST |
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[Quote by: daveac] Firstly - I'm post BEFORE reading this thread.
Only just watched VOTD - was at rwelatives on the night and my recording failed as there were some electrical 'brown outs'
So what did I think - first third ...great -
second third ....heavy handed and a very mixed bag
last third ...... RTD is taking the pi**!...thinking he can get the fans to swallow anything.
I ended the show very angry....let's not have any more Christmas Specials..... just spend the extra money on the main series - even give us two more episodes.
He must have sat at his computer and thought - what's the silliest idea I can get them to sit through?
I know the Titannic (almost) crashing into Buckingham Palace...now how do we get to that.
Two good things only - wquite liked Kylie and I liked having Bernard Cribbins in it.
EDIT - now I'll read the thread
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Kind of my feelings as well that and the ascent scene.
I saw that and thought "oh give me a freakin' break!"
So Next Christmas Russel will make him literally the son of God! Resurrection? No it's a regeneration!
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Tuesday, January 01 2008 @ 02:44 PM EST |
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Well, wasn't one of the themes of the new series the Doctor as a lonely god? This may be RTD's blatant/lazy way of portraying that!?! |
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Tuesday, January 01 2008 @ 07:00 PM EST |
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| Just watched it again for the second time (after the confidential, this time). And still, a bit 'meh.' |
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Tin Dog Podcast
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Will-I-Am
Registered: 06/26/06
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| Wednesday, January 02 2008 @ 04:24 PM EST |
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[Quote by: sgb1975] *** Wild speculation begin (possible finale spoilers): ***
Ok, you've been warned. One thing about VotD that captured my attention was the line towards the end of the episode directed at The Doctor...something to the effect of how we can't choose who lives or dies - anybody who could do so would be a monster. Anyway, with the rumored companion-fest set for the S4 finale, imagine The Doctor being put into the position by the chief villian (Sontarans/Davros/whomever), where all of the companions (Donna, Martha, Rose and/or SJS), are being held captive and put into mortal danger, and The Doctor will be able to save all but 1...who would he leave out? Perhaps this would send The Doctor into a downward spiral, even more so than after Rose left. This might be a good segway into the mini-hiatus expected after S4. Could just be that I've got a lot of time to think about this stuff, but I think that's probably better than any of the stories we're getting now...or I could be completely wrong, but it's still fun to guess what we're going to see...
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Hmm... I hadn't thought about that prospect in light of what is to come later in the new season. You have some good points, though. It (tragic consequences, etc.) might redeem the overall silliness of having all of the ladies aboard the TARDIS at once come the end of the run.
Still, I'm not particularly thrilled about Rose coming back now. It's just a bit forced. Now, the grand finale of Series 2 will mean far less, in retrospect. When watching that stuff in the future, I won't be swept up in the genuine perfection of the way they chose to end that arc - instead, I'll just think "ah, well - they'll see each other again soon enough."
By showing that they're not afraid to off a likable character and top-tier name like Kylie (even in a one-off, guest-starring role) out of thin air in VotD proves anything's possible, I guess. I just have an uneasy feeling about this next season. Not sure why, honestly. The series is as popular as it has ever been, and certainly at an all-time high, of sorts - and yet still, it feels like RTD is painting certain themes (lonely god undercurrent, "I am the Doctor, blah, blah" lol) into the corner, with particularly broad, obnoxious strokes. Still, looking forward to whatever happens - it should be interesting. |
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deknaj
Registered: 04/01/07
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| Wednesday, January 02 2008 @ 11:18 PM EST |
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| Maybe that is the overall arc of the season...I cant save everyone and if I am put in the position of who I can save, who lives and who dies? |
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Dangermouse
Registered: 12/01/05
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| Thursday, January 03 2008 @ 01:27 AM EST |
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[Quote by: daveac]
Two good things only - wquite liked Kylie and I liked having Bernard Cribbins in it.
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Yeah, I likd Bernard Cribbins - another nod to DW's past - this time a cross-canon one! |
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He's the strongest, he's the quickest, he's the best.....
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