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     Monday, April 14 2008 @ 04:10 AM EDT
    [Quote  by:  Magpie] I did think the little image of The Doctor frozen in cryptonite-style housegod carving was a bit cheesy but it did not annoy me or resonate the same way previous "doctor as messiah/god" figure stuff has in the past. I always get at little thrill when the TARDIS shows up at the right moment.

    Is it because this was a reaction that we might genuinely expect from people in this time period. The Romans were nororious for appropriating new gods as and when the whim took them. How else would this Pompeiian family be able to rationalise everything that they had been through?

    EDIT: fixed malformed QUOTE tags—Taras

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     Thursday, April 17 2008 @ 08:19 PM EDT
    I absolutely love David Arnold's take on the theme -- completely different from every other incarnation and full of its own charms, full of a sense of mystery and foreboding and the darkness of space.
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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 02:39 PM EDT

    OK, did everyone else frickin LOVE this episode or what?
    It wasnt just me i hope?

    And was anyone else thinking Rani during the first 20 mins??

    Although, one thing did sort of make me groan, in a nostalgic kind of way, Caecilius? and his wife Metella and son Quintus? SERIOUSLY! Were there no other Roman names available?! Or did someone on the script editing team also have to sit through GCSE Latin? (private joke there, let me know if you get it!)

    EDIT: Just watched Confidential, it was Russell! I love it when i'm right!

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 03:11 PM EDT
    [Quote And was anyone else thinking Rani during the first 20 mins??
    Nah, its gotta be Rose but you never know!

    I'll prob need to watch it again but it did live up to the hype. The effects were fantasic and a good supporting cast too! Donna is growing on me, so as I see a 'Doctor' about that, I think she'll improve episode by episode, untill she gets killed by the Kandyman in Journey's End. Whoops! Smile

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 03:28 PM EDT
    Tightly scripted, jokes that were actually funny (T K Maximus), laughed out loud, was moved and fell in love with Donna Nobel. Doctor Who has been waiting for her: You fought them off with a water pistol. I Bloody love you!
    I thought the first fifteen minutes were good but the using of modern dialects for the natives jarred a little (Lovely Jubbly - groan!). But the last thirty were excellent and the ending was spectacular.
    So many things seemed to happen that it felt so much longer than the Xmas special and yet everything was resolved nicely.
    And the the ending. The accepting of Donna as an equal. Her sharing the responsibility for the largest decision that the Doctor has had to make since Genesis of the Daleks. She could be so great I pray that they don't revert her back to the Running Bride. The Doctor needs her. The show needs her!
    Great monsters - but as usual in the new series they took second place (rightly) to the human drama. And for once it was a great location and a great script (seems we only seem to get one or the other most times these days).
    An episode hasn't blown me away as much since the ending of the Doctor Dances. 4.5 out of 5. If the rest of the series is as good, it will be the best series since 1963. Wow I feel good now as only Doctor Who can make me feel.
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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 06:00 PM EDT

    What an awesome episode. I just loved the reference to The Romans. Many great lines in this script. James Moran's script is definitely there in Moffat's class.

    The Syballine sect was very Sisterhood of Karn-like, even down to the chanting—"Words of wisdom, words of power!" (Sacred flame, sacred fire!)

    Donna Noble's character must have gone up quite a few points in most people's books.

    I just have to watch this again!

    Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 06:28 PM EDT
    Absolutely flippin' fantastic! Shame about the commentary length - I'm sure the full length one will turn up somewhere somehow. But I wanted to listen to it on my way to work.

    "Don't play as if you've swallowed the metronome!" -- Nadia Boulanger
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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 07:56 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  actorguy] Absolutely flippin' fantastic! Shame about the commentary length - I'm sure the full length one will turn up somewhere somehow. But I wanted to listen to it on my way to work.

    I thought it was a great story and the effects were more than great!

    Donna - was great in the last section - but I'm sorry - for me she was back to her less likeable self.

    You could see that this episode was an earlier one of hers as she seemed more mellow in episode one.

    And of course RTD was back to promoting the Doctor as a God - not the fact the family made him and Donna the 'House Gods' at the end, I got that - but the 'bright light' and the 'come with me' line when he saves them.

    But to say that is mean - this WAS a truely great story:-

    Well Done!

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 08:16 PM EDT
    That was one of the best episodes we've had in new era Doctor Who. Absolutely fantastic.

    Although played out differently, the scene where The Doctor and Donna were about to take off, and where Donna is pleading with him to save the family was reminiscent of The end of The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve. It was so well done that even though I was sure they would go back and save them, I did start to think maybe they wouldn't!

    The comedy was good too - but I personally wasnt sure about the water pistol, to me that was just a bit silly.

    5/5. Loved it.

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 08:56 PM EDT

    Almost forgot the Image of the Fendahl continuity reference: psychic abilities caused by time fissures...

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 08:58 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  stjohnny] ...

    And was anyone else thinking Rani during the first 20 mins??

    OK, OK, I have to come clean and admit... The Rani did go through my head a few times in the beginning as well.

    I like the episode. I feel it is stronger than last week's 'Partners' most assuredly.


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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 10:21 PM EDT
    it was pretty good with solid performances but some awful lines at the end ("This is what all the girls in Rome are wearing these days.") Solid acting on all counts though and a solid plot with some real controversies, guilded over by the alien plot. The action was well done and the character interplay good.

    Which brings me to why I didn't rate it top notch...while it derserves it. Historicals : it seems now that all time zones in the past on DW have to have some alien involvement. This detracts from my enjoyment of DW as a whole while enjoying individual episodes. If this continues there'll be almost no place for the Doc and co to go that doesn't involved just a historical past adventure/sojourn. The books seem to do the same thing. Old West story: throw in an alien. It sort of strains the entire time travel thing for me. I like time travel but when it is sprinkled, not riddled with alien intervention. Too much aliens in the past and the overall story buckles under for me. Still, I imagine with great ratings, this kind of stuff will continue. Better it than last week's present day garbage.

    Another sore point: how did the Doc go from being an old doddering, intelligent traveller to being someone who knows it all, despite what he sometimes says? He can see the fixed points in time and the unfixable ones? SInce when? Still, I guess it explains the inconsistencies of something like THE AZTECS and THE MASSACRE non involvment code vs something like, oh, every other time zone he's been in and saved someone. It just makes the Doc more God like and more SuperHero like but again, that seems to be what people want and what sells so I guess we shall get more of this type of thing too. I seem to prefer it when he was just making it u p as he went along or if he just went with the flow and whatnot and didn't know if he should or not...he just should try to save who he could...having Donna force him to have save four people that he could just makes him such a f'in bastard.

    Anyway, good story individually but I don't know what it says for DW overall.

    At first, I thought it was going to be the Sisterhood of Karn mixed with either the Rani (and the short teaser on the end of VOYAGE OF THE DAMNED made me think the person yelling, "Show yourself" was Derek Jacobi so I also thought possibly the Master) or some one else. I briefly thought the shouting maniac burned rock victim thing was Davros or maybe even a returned Romana (and evil Romana?) or something else entirely. I'm sorta dissapointed it wasn't but also glad it was something new.

    The story was better than the last four or five stories in the new series.

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 10:58 PM EDT
    Just me or were the monsters Ents from lord of the rings (okay stone not wood) but otherwise Ents.

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     Saturday, April 12 2008 @ 11:11 PM EDT
    [Quote  by:  cybercolin]
    [Quote And was anyone else thinking Rani during the first 20 mins??
    Nah, its gotta be Rose but you never know!

    I'll prob need to watch it again but it did live up to the hype.

    LOVED IT. The Rani and then Rose went through my mind when I heard the girl say "She is returning."

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     Sunday, April 13 2008 @ 02:57 AM EDT
    Well, that neatly proved the point I've been trying to make for about a year now: writer James Moran was worth looking out for. He's two for two in my book. Not only did his Torchwood episode kick ass, but so did his Doctor Who. He made exceptional use of Donna here, though I do take daveac's point that there were moments where Tate delivered his lines perhaps a li'l OTT. (Perhaps. My feelings might change on a re-watch.)

    Still, this is by far the best historical episode of the new series. It wasn't just a one-dimensional stunt, but a damned important one that re-writes my own long-held beliefs about historicals. I mean, what kinda brilliance is it to make an overt reference to (in my view) the greatest historical ever made ("The Romans"), while using a standard historical cliché (the TARDIS is suddenly inaccessible, and thus the episode is essentially about getting back to it), while also explaining why the Doctor has such varying views about changing history? I'm not bothered at all by the implications for the Doctor Who mythology. This story can actually let me relax and enjoy "The Aztecs" a hell of a lot more than I ever have before.

    I think what I'm trying to say is that Donna asked all the questions I've always wanted to ask, and the Doctor gave answers that not only made logical sense, but somehow wrung a tear from my eye.

    I mean, Moran pulled a literary hat trick (or maybe it was a triple-double; I've lost count). Not bad for your first ever Doctor Who script.

    For those who missed it months ago, here's the link to James Moran's amusing blog, where he enthuses about the release of his episode.

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