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Idiom
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So theories on River Song:
1. Wife/ lover – don’t believe so. The way she asked him if certain isolated events had occurred yet would indicate that their relationship isn’t/hasn’t recently been one where they have spent long periods of time together in her recent past. More like they bump into each other every so often.
2. Family member – I agree with whoever it was that mentioned the fact that surely he would sense another time lord (but would the same work for non-time lord Gallifreyans?)
3. Ex-wife/lover – possibly – she addresses him as “sweetie” when she first sees him. Could be that they left on very good terms.
4. Companion – for me the most likely scenario – she used to be a companion and now he just bumps into / visits her every so often
5. Big Fat Liar – also a strong possibility – that everything she is telling him is a ruse to lead him into a false sense of security – what if he sneaks a peek inside the TARDIS book and it’s empty?
Mmmm. Anything I’ve missed?
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tarashnat
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 01:57 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Idiom] So theories on River Song:
1. Wife/ lover – don’t believe so. The way she asked him if certain isolated events had occurred yet would indicate that their relationship isn’t/hasn’t recently been one where they have spent long periods of time together in her recent past. More like they bump into each other every so often.
2. Family member – I agree with whoever it was that mentioned the fact that surely he would sense another time lord (but would the same work for non-time lord Gallifreyans?)
3. Ex-wife/lover – possibly – she addresses him as “sweetie” when she first sees him. Could be that they left on very good terms.
4. Companion – for me the most likely scenario – she used to be a companion and now he just bumps into / visits her every so often
5. Big Fat Liar – also a strong possibility – that everything she is telling him is a ruse to lead him into a false sense of security – what if he sneaks a peek inside the TARDIS book and it’s empty?
Mmmm. Anything I’ve missed?
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She could be a construct of the library...
She could be The Rani... (for all those begging for her return, blech)
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mad4plaid
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 03:50 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Idiom] So theories on River Song:
1. Wife/ lover – don’t believe so. The way she asked him if certain isolated events had occurred yet would indicate that their relationship isn’t/hasn’t recently been one where they have spent long periods of time together in her recent past. More like they bump into each other every so often.
2. Family member – I agree with whoever it was that mentioned the fact that surely he would sense another time lord (but would the same work for non-time lord Gallifreyans?)
3. Ex-wife/lover – possibly – she addresses him as “sweetie” when she first sees him. Could be that they left on very good terms.
4. Companion – for me the most likely scenario – she used to be a companion and now he just bumps into / visits her every so often
5. Big Fat Liar – also a strong possibility – that everything she is telling him is a ruse to lead him into a false sense of security – what if he sneaks a peek inside the TARDIS book and it’s empty?
Mmmm. Anything I’ve missed?
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Regarding #3, I wondered about the use of "sweetie" as well. Until my boyfriend pointed out that I call people "sweetie" when I'm annoyed with them, or just being overly patronizing. Perhaps Ms. Song is of the same sarcastic bent?
I definitely think though, that there must be some sort of strong relationship there. But, Ms. Song is an archeologist, maybe her area of expertise is the Doctor, so she feels closer to him than she actually is? Like some stalker chick?
Didn't someone say earlier than Kingston has signed on for a show in 2010? Is ther more details somewhere on that? (been away for too long to have kept u with it all).
I don't know how I feel about this episode yet. I'm completely reserving judgement until after next week. Though those faces on the poles thing ("donna noble has been saved") really gave me the creeps. |
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Will-I-Am
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 04:37 PM EDT |
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The insane River Song speculation that has erupted over the past several days 'net-wide is just hilarious to me. People over @ AICN are actually trying to validate in the episode talkback that she could be everyone from Captain Jack with a sex-change to Romana - even Rose in some altered form. Dear god - the 'Moff must be rolling in the floor right about now.
I must agree with something someone else there said, though - why not just accept the validity of a new character introduced into the canon - must it always be someone/something else in disguise? I think the punchline to the build-up on who she actually is and all the stuffing to fill the turkey, too is likely going to be left unserved, folks. I just doubt we're going to get a tidey explanation that quickly. Maybe one day in the 2010 series or beyond, but not in the second part of this story. Just doesn't seem likely to me. I could be wrong, though.
For what it's worth, this was indeed a splendid episode - not "Blink-ing" brilliant, but up there. Of course, with all 2-parters, some amount of certainty to the overall genius of it remains undetermined until after this week's conclusion. I feel it will be good, though - Moffat wouldn't just half-ass something with this kind of potential - a decent payoff is sure to follow.
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daveac
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 04:46 PM EDT |
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We're in the Biography section of the Library
Riversong has what looks like a notebook on the Doctors 'lives'
She notices how young his eyes are.
So is she his Biographer with him on the deathbed of his 13th life - could it be as straight- forward as that?
Cheers, daveac
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Will-I-Am
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 04:57 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
We're in the Biography section of the Library
Riversong has what looks like a notebook on the Doctors 'lives'
She notices how young his eyes are.
So is she his Biographer with him on the deathbed of his 13th life - could it be as straight- forward as that?
Cheers, daveac
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Interesting theory, Dave. I like it.
I'm still drooling over the possibility of this "older Doctor" she's come to know so well eventually turning out to be the perfect, still as-of-yet uncast choice for the mold of that type of regeneration once more, should it pan out as alluded to in the coming years:
C'mon, 'Moff! Bill is THE choice for this!  |
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daveac
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:06 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Will-I-Am]
I'm still drooling over the possibility of this "older Doctor" she's come to know so well
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They could be preparing the way for an older actor.
Make way for:-
Main Dave
Aston-Martin Dave
007 Dave
I promise I'll bring Zoe back with me!
Cheers, daveac
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cybercolin
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:13 PM EDT |
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Did she actually mean another Doctor? She could have meant an older 10th Doctor.
Anyway, we've had enough of a sterotypical 'btits' with their 'british accents'. I thought the casting of Chris Eccelston changed that.
Bill Nighy should never be allowed near Doctor Who! What next? Hugh Grant as The Master?  |
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Will-I-Am
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:15 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac] [Quote by: Will-I-Am]
I'm still drooling over the possibility of this "older Doctor" she's come to know so well
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They could be preparing the way for an older actor.
Make way for:-
Main Dave
Aston-Martin Dave
007 Dave
I promise I'll bring Zoe back with me!
Cheers, daveac
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Indeed - you need to take Wendy for a spin in that cracking sweet new ride! Then she'd be sold on returning!  |
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Idiom
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:20 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: cybercolin] Bill Nighy should never be allowed near Doctor Who! What next? Hugh Grant as The Master? |
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Oh, I love Bill Nighy - his role in underworld showed that he could play a much darker doctor with a touch of menace to him. Tap back into that rich vein that Colin Baker was never fully allowed to. |
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tarashnat
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:26 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: cybercolin] What next? Hugh Grant as The Master? |
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Moffat already had Hugh Grant as the Twelfth Doctor...  |
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Will-I-Am
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:27 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: cybercolin] Did she actually mean another Doctor? She could have meant an older 10th Doctor. |
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There has been some speculation to that as well in various fan circles. I don't think it's an older 10th, though. But it could be, I suppose. I just got the impression that with so much "spoilage" hidden away in that book of hers, we're talking a good ways off from now - and that entails a regeneration - or two. In IMO, anyway.
| [Quote by: cybercolin] Bill Nighy should never be allowed near Doctor Who! What next? Hugh Grant as The Master? |
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To each his own. I think Bill would do wonderful things with the role. Hugh Grant as the Master? Lol - erm, not so much there. 
| [Quote by: Idiom] Oh, I love Bill Nighy - his role in underworld showed that he could play a much darker doctor with a touch of menace to him. Tap back into that rich vein that Colin Baker was never fully allowed to. |
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Exactly, my good sir. |
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Will-I-Am
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:29 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: tarashnat] | [Quote by: cybercolin] What next? Hugh Grant as The Master? |
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Moffat already had Hugh Grant as the Twelfth Doctor... |
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Good point, Taras. I'm sure there's more I could add to that... but... "I'll explain later" - lol.  |
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daveac
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 05:36 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: cybercolin] Did she actually mean another Doctor? She could have meant an older 10th Doctor.
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It seemed to be the eyes she focused on - rather than the face.
I took it to mean - that since it was she that sent the message - she knew he was the 'doctor' when they arrived but it was the 'young eyes' that she noticed.
If we believe that part of the doctor lives through each re-generation - it would be the brightness of the eyes that would indicate their current (sorry 'total' ) age as it were.
Cheers, daveac
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Magpie
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| Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 06:34 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
If we believe that part of the doctor lives through each re-generation - it would be the brightness of the eyes that would indicate their current (sorry 'total' ) age as it were.
Cheers, daveac
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A man with a kite once told me that he could tell how old people are by a combination of the expression in their eyes and the encroachment of a blood-shot patch on the inside corner of the whites that all disenchanted people over the age of 25 develop.
Anyway he's what, 800 something years old? Pfft! A human lifetime is a drop int he bucket to a Timelord even with replaceable organs n such extending our lives. But yet yes, she did seem to act like he should recognize him regardless...
Maybe she's some kind of Captain Jack offshoot. Or is that too weird? Or maybe she's Jenny's daughter. |
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