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| [Spoilers] S4 Ep11 - Turn Left |
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Tin Dog Podcast
Registered: 04/19/07
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 Monday, June 23 2008 @ 04:44 AM EDT |
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LEEDS.
This made me laugh just a bit too much
(Sings... "in the Ghetto")
what surprised me is that the sontarans would still use atmos when the world was in such a state.
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seanhuxter
Registered: 08/27/05
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 08:22 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Magpie] [Quote by: mad4plaid] [Quote by: BenjaminElliott]
1) The Labour camp issue didn't seem to be the most likely scenario at that point in the story. Rather than billeting everybody to existing towns in the first place, it would have been easier to send the 7 million refugees to all the underdeveloped sections of the UK, give them tents and tools, and have everybody build new cities. Give them a purpose and a job and (in time) their own homes. Maybe if we had another attack or two (Scotland sinking beneath the sea perhaps), then the dark turn would have seemed more plausible. It's just hard to imagine a government taking that course this quickly when they had easier options. If we were all trapped on a plane, surely we'd eat the food *before* eating each other?
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Perhaps since the Government in London all disintegrated, the Scottish Parliament took the moment to get their independence and closed their borders? |
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It was very "Children of Men" - sadly I wouldn't put any cruelties past humans, especially in bad times. All you have to do is turn on the news (heck look at the recent violence against foreigners in South Africa! Unrest in Italy - and elsewhere) we can see how quickly people can turn on each other, or blame "outsiders" when things get bad. Logic goes out the window!
Sure we like to think it would "never happen" in our cozy parts of the world - but I shudder to think how "thin" the line is. History has shown us many times just how heartless humans can be to one another. Probably why I really disliked last weeks episode - too realistic for me perhaps. Dark... dark... dark....
ok now I feel a bit depressed...  On the bright side! We get to see Gwen Cooper next week!!!! oh and gosh doesn't Billie look a bit rough these days - either too skinny or aging badly - I hope she's not buying into hollywood crap about how skinny women have to be - or alternatively, I hope she's getting enough sleep! |
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Yeah, it's very naive to think that's not what would happen. Keep in mind some time had passed with people crowded into houses, and the situation obviously deteriorated, and it was time to ease the burden by moving the foreigners out. "England for the English" or whatever.
It wouldn't take long in dire crisis situation to turn on anything that looks like an "outsider".
And yeah, Billie's got skin like an old bible. :-)
Sean.
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Sabalon
Registered: 09/19/06
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 08:54 AM EDT |
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Thanks for the Cloister bell corrections. Don't think they've really described it though.
Also, along the lines of the Leeds stamp, I laughed out loud when they talked about 60 million Americans dead and then cut to the adipose wandering around. Guess they are trying to say I shouldn't have had McDonalds for breakfast yesterday! |
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 09:54 AM EDT |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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sgb1975
Registered: 06/19/06
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 10:21 AM EDT |
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| [Quote by: tarashnat]I would have loved to have seen the Sontarans try to deal with Capt. Jack |
| This would've been great! Jack dies millions and millions of times as they use Jack as live target practice for each new clone they create!
| [Quote by: mpe]Not sure I recognise the old woman in the company of some "police" though. |
| At first, I was thinking it was an aged-Astrid, but the costume doesn't match from what she wore in VotD...so I'm not sure now.
| [Quote by: seanhuxter]That said, the all-too-stag-beetle thing looked VERY lame. First, it's too much like an earth beetle, with no attempt to make it look different, and for the first time in I don't know how long, the prop looked like a prop. |
| Agree. The thing looked horrible. Makes me think they should've gone CGI with this one. Of course then we run the risk of it looking like really bad CGI as shown by last year's Lazarus monster. Maybe this was another throwback to the classic series? 
| [Quote by: silvanthalas]As I said above, I am honestly hoping that the final two episodes do not disappoint. I think I'm going to have to try and temper my expectations over these next two weeks, just to be sure. At this time last year, we were all giving the thumbs up for "Utopia", and then imo it all went downhill from there. |
| Also agree. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Utopia was one of the few bright spots to last season. This season (to me) has also been less than stellar, but unless the script is complete trash (and please, please no universe-wide reset please), and as long as the Daleks stay out of New York City, I don't think we'll be disappointed.
| [Quote by: tarashnat]And who is the new monarch after the Queen perishes in Buckingham Palace? Charles? William? Henry? The Duke of York? Were they in London for Christmas? Hmmmm... |
| Well if they're like our President, chances are they were out in the countryside on vacation...so I suspect they're still alive.
[Quote by: Tin Dog Podcast] LEEDS.
This made me laugh just a bit too much
(Sings... "in the Ghetto") |
| Is this a UK thing? Because I'll be the first to admit this went way over my head and I completely missed the humor...
| [Quote by: Magpie]oh and gosh doesn't Billie look a bit rough these days - either too skinny or aging badly - I hope she's not buying into hollywood crap about how skinny women have to be - or alternatively, I hope she's getting enough sleep! |
| I'm glad somebody else pointed this out and not me. I'll agree and just leave it at that...
| [Quote by: merlin_mccarley]I may be in the minority here but I have much more of a mixed feeling (leaning twards positive) than a pure like of the episode. More later on a rewatch but I still feel that they missed something crucial to making it work well for me. |
| I should just delete the previous parts of my post, copy yours, and sign my name, because this pretty much sums it up for me as well. At first I may have been a little disappointed, maybe just because with the return of Rose I was expecting immediate satisfaction, and this left me feeling indifferent. But the more I think about it, the more I...don't want to say I like it, but maybe the phrase I'm looking for is that "I dislike it less."
- Did they explain that Donna actually had to go back and cause herself to turn left again? Because I don't understand why Rose couldn't have popped back in time and caused Donna to go left also...or easier yet, prevent Donna from going into the fortune teller's shop to begin with...
- I think they could've made this story a tiny bit better if, despite all of the bad things that happened in the alternate timeline, some part of Donna's life would've been better had she taken the right turn. Then it would've been more of a conflict for her to go with Rose, and Rose would've had to do her best sales pitch to convince her to go back in time to make everthing right...or should I say left? I just think it would've been a little better drama had they done this...
- Looking forward to seeing the Torchwood crew next week (well, what's left of them that is). Part of me wonders if they'd consider keeping Rose around to join them in our-universe-Torchwood for the 3rd season, but I'm not sure that's likely, as she'd be bigger than Jack, and it's kind of rare for a TV show to bring in a character that'd steal the show from the current major character. I'm absolutely looking forward to see Jack meeting Rose again. How will Jack react knowing it was her that cursed him with immortality? How will Rose react knowing that she did this to him? I know, he sorta explained that he was cool with it now, but I still gotta believe deep down he doesn't like it. I suspect this moment will be overshadowed by events in the rest of the episode, but I, for one, am on the edge of my seat waiting for it...
- Part of me wonders if they'd be better off leaving SJS out of the final 2 episodes and just sticking with the new companions. Just because it seems like what's so special about her? What about Tegan, Harry, and Jo? It's nice to see SJS again, but I think she'll seem out of place...we'll have to wait and see...
- Overall pretty good. Another good performance from Donna. 3.5 out of 5
- One final thought: somebody better remove the "Quote" button from my forum view. My goodness, look at this! Either that, or else I'll have to stop waiting until Monday morning to comment. Get my quips in sooner during the weekend...
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Tin Dog Podcast
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 11:26 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Tin Dog Podcast] LEEDS.
This made me laugh just a bit too much
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No. I work in Leeds. And it doesnt seem a very Doctor Who place |
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Tin Dog Podcast
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 11:28 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: tarashnat]And who is the new monarch after the Queen perishes in Buckingham Palace? Charles? William? Henry? The Duke of York? Were they in London for Christmas? Hmmmm...
| [Quote Well if they're like our President, chances are they were out in the countryside on vacation...so I suspect they're still alive. |
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Prince Charles would have been in Scotland for Xmas. or Balmoral. So. King Charles?
EDIT: fixed bad quote tags as best as I could...—Taras |
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 12:03 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: sgb1975]
- Did they explain that Donna actually had to go back and cause herself to turn left again? Because I don't understand why Rose couldn't have popped back in time and caused Donna to go left also...or easier yet, prevent Donna from going into the fortune teller's shop to begin with...
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Doctor Who is all about the Doctor enabling people to help themselves, moreso in the new series now. Rose is the surrogate for the Doctor in this episode. And it is Donna that has a choice. It is Donna's choice to make. Not Rose's, Donna's. One of the themes running thru this series has been "terrible" choices. Terrible in the sence of consequences, not that the choice was bad, or incorrect. So if Rose makes the choice for Donna, the whole impact of this episode evaporates. |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 12:31 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: sgb1975]
I'm absolutely looking forward to see Jack meeting Rose again. How will Jack react knowing it was her that cursed him with immortality? How will Rose react knowing that she did this to him?
- Part of me wonders if they'd be better off leaving SJS out of the final 2 episodes and just sticking with the new companions.
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I have a sinking feeling that the TW, SJA, and DW people will not inter-mingle, but each face the enemy (is it still a spoiler if it's in the trailer?) in their own way. It's not like the trailer shows any of them intermingling. |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 12:56 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: rocko] It's not like the trailer shows any of them intermingling. |
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You want to see Torchwood people intermingling?
I thought that's what they always do - every chance they get. 
Cheers, daveac |
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Sabalon
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 02:15 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: sgb1975]
- Did they explain that Donna actually had to go back and cause herself to turn left again? Because I don't understand why Rose couldn't have popped back in time and caused Donna to go left also...or easier yet, prevent Donna from going into the fortune teller's shop to begin with...
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I took this as not so much Donna making the left turn, but deciding to go for the temp job instead of the other one. Rose could have tried to convince her or force her to turn left, but if Donna hadn't made up her mind, then there is no guarantee it would have stuck. Of course, the easier move would have been for Rose to convince her not to let her mum lead her life. Then again, that would create a paradox. I agree on the prevent her from going in the shop to start with, never mind the paradox that would create.
As for the Royals being out of the palace..in VotD, we do hear the Queen saying "Thank you Doctor" so I guess they were in residence  |
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tarashnat
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 02:37 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Sabalon]As for the Royals being out of the palace..in VotD, we do hear the Queen saying "Thank you Doctor" so I guess they were in residence |
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According to Voyage of the Damned, the Queen remained in London. I was curious who would have been the monarch during the tough times of Turn Left after the Queen's passing.
Also, in Voyage of the Damned, Wilf and the Queen were the only ones "on vigil" in London. I assume, that without Saxon around to sow seeds of fear and doubt prior to his election, London wasn't "evacuated" for that Christmas, hence the carnage of the Titanic crashing into London. |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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Will-I-Am
Registered: 06/26/06
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 07:55 PM EDT |
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I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Another triumph in the necessary evil that is "Doctor-lite." 2 weeks in a row and RTD's winning big this year. He also proved he can write a virtually Doctor-less episode that doesn't suck - I won't even bother to utter the name... and hey, before now, only Moffat had proven the 90% Doctor-less story mold could actually work, when done brilliantly. But I'll give RTD this one - he crafted a solid episode in that vein - the bookending was perfectly done here, as well as the ingredients in-between.
Billie's newly-forged lisp was a tad, er, distracting at times - but hey, whatever - great to have her back, nonetheless...
The next 2 weeks look IMMENSE. I'm freaking dying here with all the waiting for this Saturday - all in knowing it's going to leave me waiting another 7 days after screaming bloody murder at the television come the cliffhanger  - utterly stoked for this finale doesn't BEGIN to cover my feelings this year - BRING IT.  |
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mad4plaid
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 08:05 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: tarashnat] [Quote by: sgb1975]
- Did they explain that Donna actually had to go back and cause herself to turn left again? Because I don't understand why Rose couldn't have popped back in time and caused Donna to go left also...or easier yet, prevent Donna from going into the fortune teller's shop to begin with...
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Doctor Who is all about the Doctor enabling people to help themselves, moreso in the new series now. Rose is the surrogate for the Doctor in this episode. And it is Donna that has a choice. It is Donna's choice to make. Not Rose's, Donna's. One of the themes running thru this series has been "terrible" choices. Terrible in the sence of consequences, not that the choice was bad, or incorrect. So if Rose makes the choice for Donna, the whole impact of this episode evaporates. |
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OR-- Rose could have just been too selfish to sacrifice herself. (sorry, I never really liked her too much) |
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supremacy is relative
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T Baker(notTom)
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| Monday, June 23 2008 @ 11:08 PM EDT |
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| To me it is easily a better episode (compared to last week's episode). But did anybody notice the Judoon in the trailer for next week. We haven't seen them since "Smith and Jones" (series 3, episode 1). What are they doing here? |
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"Make your last move, Doctor. Make your LAST move."
The Celestial Toymaker to the Doctor in "The Celestial Toymaker: The Final Test"
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