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Idiom
Registered: 04/08/08
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 Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 04:13 AM EDT |
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After listening to the criticisms of the Stolen Earth/ Journey's End on various of the podcasts, many of the arguments come down to the fact that the critics don't like Event TV and that it contained "everything but the kitchen sink" for no good reason.
Now, although I do agree that this constant need to get bigger at the end of each season is a dangerous trend whose inevitable consequences would always be disappointment. I mean this year we had reality itself under threat - where do we possibly go from there? (I think that the drama and emotion sould be the overwhelming elements not the threat necessarily).
However, I don't agree necessarily that Event TV is a new phenomenon.
I would like to draw everybody's attention to an episode called The Five Doctors. Now, that really was everything and the kitchen sink! And many of the critics on podcasts who have criticised Journey's End have praised the Five Doctors before now for exactly the same elements.
Any thoughts on this? |
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Tin-Dog-Podcast
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| Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 05:18 AM EDT |
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taken from feedback sent to another podcast...
Event television.”
I blame a couple of things for this… first is the nature or Doctor Who’s return to the BBC in 2005. We can all look back – smugly - and see what a success the show was when it came back but I genuinely believe that the show was only destined to be on air for its 13 weeks of ecclescake. – hence the reason he was hired for one year and given a narrative arc that took the ninth doctor through to that final battle.
If we had only got the 2005 season and it had ended there we wouldn’t have been happy but we could have lived with the structure.
And ending on a high note was repeated from that point onward just like Star Trek – next gen and its descendants did but more influentially. Buffy. – see im back to the influence of buffy on RTD. This is not a bad thing.
So for better or worse we are stuck with the end of a season being an event mainly targeted at the mass audience and not us hard core fans.
Which is how I believe it should be. The hard core fans will always watch it. We complain in the same way a person can complain about a family member. Our love and forgiveness knows no bounds. – Though things like Love and Monsters will scar us more than others.
The show isn’t our property. It belongs to the whims of the general public. The people who gave it 91 appreciation and not to the people… like me… who look to closely.
We arn’t putting our brains in neutral.
We simply arn’t experiencing the show like we did when we were 10. But others are. We are watching their show. Not the other way round.
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 06:02 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Tin-Dog-Podcast]
taken from feedback sent to another podcast...
And ending on a high note was repeated from that point onward just like Star Trek – next gen and its descendants did but more influentially. Buffy. – see im back to the influence of buffy on RTD. This is not a bad thing.
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Star Trek (and for that matter Stargate) often appeared to end on something of a cliffhanger. Buffy S4 interestingly had the "big climax" before the end. |
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Idiom
Registered: 04/08/08
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| Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 07:53 AM EDT |
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So did Shakespeare for that matter - all types of narrative genre use the climax as resolution, a wrapping up of issues, a cathartic emotional event.
I suppose that these days, what really drives this climax is looking at a season as an overall story arc -I agree that Buffy was a massive influence here.
Before when we looked at a season as made up of six or so stories, each story had their own climax in the final episode.
Now, with so many stand alone episodes, they still each have a climax but the climaxes build towads a point where the overall climax, some would say, needs to be greater than the individual climax or else there is no point in using the arc concept.
Pesonally, I love story acs and large climaxes. However, as I mentioned earlier, I believe that there are other ways of doing this without uping the threat each year (the Earth in danger, then the universe in danger, then reality in danger, etc). I think that a major climax can be concentrated around one or two particular characters that we care a lot about and seeing some event having a major impact on their lives.
I loved the climax at the end of Zagreus, for example. |
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Idiom
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| Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 07:57 AM EDT |
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| Come to think of it, I think that Utopia would have made a great end of season climax leaving us wanting so much more for the following season or the Christmas special! |
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FixerMX
Registered: 09/12/07
Posts: 48
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| Saturday, July 19 2008 @ 11:52 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Tin-Dog-Podcast]We arn’t putting our brains in neutral.
We simply arn’t experiencing the show like we did when we were 10. But others are. We are watching their show. Not the other way round. |
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Well, WELL said. I believe I heard the podcast to which you're referring, and the blatant elitism on display was infuriating.
An Appreciation Index of 91 doesn't mean that any reviewer is obligated to like "The Stolen Earth" or "Journey's End." However, I much prefer the humility of "I know people loved it, but I just don't get it" to "the episode didn't deserve those ratings" or "people just don't know any better".
As I said, infuriating. |
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