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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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 Sunday, December 21 2008 @ 09:03 AM EST |
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This might be a Spoiler as it is about a cast member - but there will be SPOILERS in this Thread
Here is the Actress Dervla Kirwan who plays Miss Hartigan in 'The Next Doctor' - she was on Saturday Kitchen.
I didn't watch it all but I don't think she gave any spoilers in the show:-
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Cheers, daveac
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cybercolin
Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 276
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| Sunday, December 21 2008 @ 09:25 AM EST |
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I don't get it Dave, what's spoilerish about it?
Does she make rubbish cakes or something?  |
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odessasteps
Registered: 05/10/08
Posts: 27
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 08:26 PM EST |
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Since it's been many hours since the show aired and this is the first thread (and there's not much here), i take it as a bad sign. |
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
Posts: 2636
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 07:09 PM EST |
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EDIT - mess up my last post here.
Didn't like it much - will post more later.
:-(
Cheers, daveac
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rheimbro
Registered: 04/18/08
Posts: 19
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 09:46 PM EST |
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| 1 part godzilla, 1 part temple of doom, a couple of doctors, some cybermen and a pinch of holiday cheer. |
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Coming to theaters this fall, Frau Blücher and Harpo Marx star in 'The Shadow Proclamation'!
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
Posts: 880
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 09:55 PM EST |
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SPOILERS!!!
It's 8:43 CST. The Next Doctor aired almost nine hours ago in the UK and the only comment we have is from Dave who didn't like it much? (edit: and Rheimbro who commented while I was writing my diatribe) Shocking really.
And I mean the lack of posts, because I kind of agree with Dave. In fact, as I watched it, I found myself making mental lists of everything I need to do tomorrow (thank you cards, after Christmas sales, pack for New Years trip, etc). I have thought about it and I can think of one word to describe it: Trite. The Doctor would have been better served if RTD HAD done a complete re-hash of The One Doctor.
Here are my general problems with it:
Poor orphan children
Man-hating woman who becomes "king"? (really? shouldn't she be queen?)
Exploitation of aforementioned poor orphan children
Lost possession turns out to be a child
Rosita is only good enough for a nursemaid to child
Doctor notes Rosita's name is close to Rose's name
Wookie-like cybermen
Saving of the aforementioned poor orphan children
What did I like?
Jackson Lake leading a cheer for the Doctor
Jackson not being able to handle the Tardis (seems reasonable to me)
The Doctor having Christmas dinner with the Lakes and their new nursemaid Rosita (except that Rosita is just the nursemaid).
I'll watch it again tomorrow, and maybe I'll have a more favorable view of it them.
Now, let the disagreements begin!
(by the way, my mantra for the evening is any Doctor is better than no Doctor, but only just)
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cybercolin
Registered: 11/12/07
Posts: 276
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 10:14 PM EST |
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Thought it was okay, not sure about the CyberKing! Great CGI though! Best moment (apart from every scene Morrisery was in!) seeing the 10 Doctors of course!
Really starting to feel a wee bit drunk, so i'll grab my whiskey and speak more when I watch it again! Merry Xmas everyone!
Here's looking forward to 'The Planet of the Dead'! |
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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
Posts: 370
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 10:45 PM EST |
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I took the whole "cyber king" (and not "queen") thing to be explained by the Doctor's comment about what a "cyber king" is. My memory is not prefect, but it was something like "A ship- dreadnaught class, for conquering worlds, with a conversion unit capable of upgrading millions."
So it seems the "cyber king" was the whole robot/ship thing, and not just the mind operating it.
But I agree that the story was kind of "meh". Of course, I was sure going into it that Morrissey was not going to be the actual Doctor. |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 3062
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 10:52 PM EST |
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I thought this was a fun romp for Christmas. It had its dark bits, but it also had its lighter moments.
Let's see, some homages: the Cybership was similar to the K-1 Robot. The infostamp with the prior Doctors was a flashback to Earthshock. The Cybershades remind me of Spare Parts, where they even cyberneticised their pets and beasts of burden.
So, what else could Rosita have aspired to in Victorian London? Come on, really?
Of course, Cybermen would be led by a Cyberking. With the exception of the depiction of the Cyberwoman in Torchwood, gender is really not something important to the Cyberrace, as they increase their numbers by converting others, not reproduction.
The whole story of Jackson Lake I liked. He went from having lost everything, to having hope for the future with the return of his son, in whom something of his wife survives. It was interesting to see how a human could come to terms with the vague "memories" of a Timelord. This is also a counterpoint to the end of the Donna story, where Donna could not physically handle having the actual sum of the Doctor's experiences, while Jackson is dealing with just having the faint memories extrapolated from the Cybermen's infostamp.
I felt that the end of the "Cyberking" was written well enough, but that the on screen representation of the Cybermen, and then Hartigan just bursting in a CGI effect diminished the moment. |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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indiana_brian
Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 123
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 11:00 PM EST |
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I think the Cyberking was the biggest let down of the story. Everything was leading towards a crescendo and it didn't follow through. There were undoubtedly other ways the Cyberking idea could have been played out, but that will end up being discussed in the forums.
I did enjoy David Morrisey as the other Doctor. He was a bit full of himself, but the same could be said for William Hartnell and Colin Baker.
The earlier complaints about Rosita being a nurse maid don't make sense to me. It was too soon for Jackson Lake to even consider having a more serious relationship with her and for the times, an African womans public role in society would have been very limited, even amongst those who considered her an equal. Having Rosita as the nurse maid would be the perfect role, allowing her to remain in the family.
It was absolutely fantastic to see all the Doctors and it might add some interest in viewers of the new series to take a more serious look at the classic series.
It also showed that the Daleks knew who the ninth Doctor was, lending some credence to the theory that he was the one who fought in the time war. |
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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 11:23 PM EST |
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| [Quote by: indiana_brian]It also showed that the Daleks knew who the ninth Doctor was, lending some credence to the theory that he was the one who fought in the time war. |
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Did you mean the eighth Doctor? I agree, it was nice to see a reference there. |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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silvanthalas
Registered: 07/23/07
Posts: 118
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| Thursday, December 25 2008 @ 11:36 PM EST |
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I thought the first 45 minutes, while it has some minor problems, were pretty good.
It did lead on for quite awhile whether or not the other Doctor was the Doctor or not, or what he was doing at all (whether the hero or a thief, etc).
The last 15 minutes, with all the giant robot stuff, was the kind of crap that RTD continues to write that has lead people to want him gone. Ugh.
As for the 'little' problems (beyond the stupidity of giant robots), the biggest one that springs to mind is the infostamps. Specifically, how an infostamp with all this info on the Doctor came into existence. It's another of those semi-sized plot holes that RTD is so good for throwing out there every couple of stories he writes.  |
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seanhuxter
Registered: 08/27/05
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| Friday, December 26 2008 @ 12:22 AM EST |
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| [Quote by: rheimbro] 1 part godzilla, 1 part temple of doom, a couple of doctors, some cybermen and a pinch of holiday cheer. |
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1 part "Iron Giant", you mean. :-)
I figured out the Next Doctor's story right away. It didn't diminish the story too much for me, though having the Iron Giant Stomping around London while the contents of its head stood stock still without as much as an off-balance quake, was a bit stupid.
I didn't hate this special. I thought it was more or less above par compared to the Titanic one, which I thought was FAR more stupid in almost all ways. Including having the villain stowed away on board the very ship he's trying to crash for insurance money... uh... who thought of that?
Anyway, this one was far better.
My wife thought that the evil woman was played by the same actress who played one of the two women who initially recruited Captain Jack into Torchwood back in the early 20th century. Anyone know if that's true? And why does she look so much like Miranda Richardson?
Sean.
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
Posts: 3062
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| Friday, December 26 2008 @ 12:42 AM EST |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter]
My wife thought that the evil woman was played by the same actress who played one of the two women who initially recruited Captain Jack into Torchwood back in the early 20th century. Anyone know if that's true? And why does she look so much like Miranda Richardson?
Sean.
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Early Torchwood...
Amy Manson played Alice Guppy
Heather Craney played Emily Holroyd
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Friday, December 26 2008 @ 12:45 AM EST |
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| [Quote by: silvanthalas] As for the 'little' problems (beyond the stupidity of giant robots), the biggest one that springs to mind is the infostamps. Specifically, how an infostamp with all this info on the Doctor came into existence. It's another of those semi-sized plot holes that RTD is so good for throwing out there every couple of stories he writes. |
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This is not a Russell T. Davies original. This is a copy of a scene from Earthshock where the Cybermen are examining info on the Doctor on their holovid, or whatever it was. |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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