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seanhuxter
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| [Quote by: mpe]It was only five and a half hours from the POV of Rose and Micky. To the Doctor and Reinette it was a much shorter time. On the other hand she was leading him to her bedroom... |
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Surely it has to be the other way around, doesn't it? Time on Earth travels much faster than time on Earth. Reinette grows up while the TARDIS crew are aboard the ship. 5.5 hours on the "Mme Pompadour" must have meant a great deal of time ... er.. on Mme. Pompadour... especially considering the last jump back when the Doctor is there only for a few seconds, and when he slips back.... it's far too late.
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Yay! Someone's paying attention! :-)
Sean.
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Browncoat-Who
Registered: 05/06/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 10:41 AM EDT |
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| You have to listen to the commentary with Noel Clarke and Steven Moffat. I think it's the funniest Doctor Who one yet |
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stjohnny
Registered: 02/16/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 02:06 PM EDT |
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Why was Reinette’s brain was so vital to the robots’ plan?
Any thoughts, ideas or answers?
Excellent episode btw
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 02:54 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: stjohnny] Why was Reinette’s brain was so vital to the robots’ plan?
Any thoughts, ideas or answers?
Excellent episode btw
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Didn't you see the name of the Spacestation - that was the reason in their straight-jacket logic - also remember she had to be 37 - the same age as the ship.
Cheers, daveac
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stjohnny
Registered: 02/16/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 03:11 PM EDT |
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I thought it had some deeper meaning? Like, WHY a vessel in 3000 odd years be dedicated to her?
And what was it doing in there in the first place? Did the crew have any idea this was going on? And did the old Vulcan mind-meld have something to do with it? |
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 03:19 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: stjohnny] I thought it had some deeper meaning? Like, WHY a vessel in 3000 odd years be dedicated to her?
And what was it doing in there in the first place? Did the crew have any idea this was going on? And did the old Vulcan mind-meld have something to do with it? |
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Well It could have been worse - the ship could have been called 'The George W. Bush' - then they would have to finfd his brain 
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 04:17 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] | [Quote by: mpe]It was only five and a half hours from the POV of Rose and Micky. To the Doctor and Reinette it was a much shorter time. On the other hand she was leading him to her bedroom... |
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Surely it has to be the other way around, doesn't it? Time on Earth travels much faster than time on Earth. Reinette grows up while the TARDIS crew are aboard the ship. 5.5 hours on the "Mme Pompadour" must have meant a great deal of time ... er.. on Mme. Pompadour... especially considering the last jump back when the Doctor is there only for a few seconds, and when he slips back.... it's far too late.
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He moves away from the time portal though. There's also the complication that he has to reconnect the fireplace together with the whole system being a hack in the first place.
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 04:28 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: stjohnny] Why was Reinette’s brain was so vital to the robots’ plan?
Any thoughts, ideas or answers?
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They thought that the right "part" to repair the ship's computer was the brain of the woman it was named after. So they'd have been completly stuffed if it had been named the "The SS Lady Lara Croft" even more so had it been called "The SS Dawn Summers". |
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 04:45 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
Well It could have been worse - the ship could have been called 'The George W. Bush' - then they would have to finfd his brain
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No doubt there's a conspiracy theory out there about him having had his brain nicked by aliens. (Or maybe some mice swapped it out for an electronic one.) |
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atomic99
Registered: 03/02/06
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| Sunday, May 07 2006 @ 06:32 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: daveac] Well It could have been worse - the ship could have been called 'The George W. Bush' - then they would have to finfd his brain |
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That ACTUALLY was the original plot........
.....until they realized the title "The Neverending Story" had already been taken!! |
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James Brown 1977
Registered: 02/22/06
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| Monday, May 08 2006 @ 08:49 AM EDT |
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I thought the story was excellant the clockwork robots were creepy. Sophia Myles was excellant I would'nt mind seeing her again in another role in the future.
SM has done it again I thought the love aspect of the story was really well handled. I can't wait to see what he bring us in season 3. |
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Dr Who is back baby Yeah !!!
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Monday, May 08 2006 @ 11:08 AM EDT |
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know what I missed? At the end of SR, Rose was completely put out and being a little pissy about Mickey joining the crew. And now in this episode, it was all sunshine and daisies. Mickey did mention that he got a spaceship on the first time out, so I know we didn't miss much between the end of SR and this episode. I wanted to see Rose be a bit of a brat, then grow up and get over her possessive attitude. I'm sorry we didn't have that.
So, the Doctor falls in love... I don't know what I think about that. I loved the emotions he went through this episode, that more and more he sees the impact he has on people (SJ Smith last time, and Mme. du P. this time as he went in and out of her life over a long time span), versus how it was always fly in and fly out. Nice that the new series (last year and this year) sort of talks about the impact his actions have on all (Torchwood is developed because of him, I shouldn't forget that).
One other quick mention. I definitely no longer like the 44/45 minute episodes. Its just not enough. School Reunion was the first time I experienced that thought with the new series, and now it's come up with this episode. I like the quick thrill ride of it all, don't get me wrong. But I do want MORE! I want more character development, more bad guys, more pathos, just more! |
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seanhuxter
Registered: 08/27/05
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| Monday, May 08 2006 @ 12:26 PM EDT |
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Steven Moffet and Noel Clarke addressed that in the commentary. Moffet said that he wasn't aware of the attitude Rose took in "School Reunion" at having Mickey aboard, so he didn't know to write scenes showing Rose upset that Mickey is aboard.
To me, it seems like she's just come to accept it for the moment. It's not like she hates Mickey, just a little resentful the Doctor invited him aboard.
And Rose appears to be getting the point. That she's not the only one in the Doctor's life, and is accepting it a bit.
Sure, she and Mickey had fun in this episode. She enjoys showing Mickey what she's seen before but he hasn't. Kind of like in "The Long Game" when the Doctor told her what to say to Adam when he emerged - to kind of show off.
Seems fine to me. It's not like ROse is going to stay mad at Mickey.
Sean.
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Dead Pilot
Registered: 05/08/06
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| Monday, May 08 2006 @ 12:53 PM EDT |
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I was expecting so much more from this episode.
Steven Moffat wrote the wonderful "Empty Child/Doctor Dances" in series 1.
The Clockwork robots had a big build up in trailers and in the Radio Times. And, to be fair, the concept and look of them was excellent. And the punchline was quite good.
But in the end... it was a big disappointment. I felt it was weak. My 7-year old son (a huge Who fan normally) hated it, a shame when we look forward to watching this show together. When asked, my mates (blokes aged 20-40) thought it was the weakest of this series so far.
Problem 1: after the intitial "Tick Tock, it's hiding under the bed!" ploy and the well-delivered line "We didn't have the parts!" the clockwork fellas basically were NOT scary. At all. Not even a little bit. They didn't even kill anyone. And those little knife things were pathetic - couldn't thay have had big scary clockwork chainsaws or something?
Problem 2: Use of the companions - or rather misuse - almost nothing to do except get pointlessly captured so the Doc could look cool rescuing them. I thought even the old Doctor Who had grown out of that in the 1980's. How sad is that? No wonder it's said BP is leaving - if that's how her character is to be written.
Problem 3: The logic of the robots having access to magic doors or time/space warps but unable to get simple parts escaped me I'm afraid.
Problem 4: The big scene of jumping through the mirror was one of the weakest, least convincing CGI effects they have done.
I guess it doesn't help that "New Earth" wasn't brill either. Last year, after the weak pilot ("Rose") every episode felt like an event - something to look forward to all week. Baftas well deserved!!!! But I don't feel that way about series 2 now - and I'm quite worried about how the Cybermen will be handled next week. |
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Abersoch
Registered: 11/27/05
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| Monday, May 08 2006 @ 02:35 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Dead Pilot] But I don't feel that way about series 2 now - and I'm quite worried about how the Cybermen will be handled next week. |
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Oh dear. Then I'm guessing you're not going to be too impressed by the Cyberman song and dance number that comes at the end of the two-parter  .
I did like this episode. If you'll pardon the pun it felt like a sort of time capsule all of its own. But I enjoyed it more for the feel of the episode rather than the story being perfect (which it wasn't). The CGI horse jumping through the mirror bit was a bit "...-ehh" but having watched the Confidential episode where it explained the problems they faced when filming it I thought they pulled it off rather well, considering. And yes the Doctor's wink was extremely cheesy.
The ending is the bit that gets me. Seeing the carriage leaving the courtyard of a rainswept Versailles through the windows gave it the feel of an ending to a much more epic production (ie the "lovers doomed to a tragic ending" resolution), which wasn't bad considering they'd only been on screen for about 35 minutes. And I loved Murray Gold's use of a music box melody to underscore the clockwork theme running through the episode - especially the sadness it reflects at the very end of the programme when the music winds down. That's three out of the four episodes so far transmitted that have left me with a lump in the throat which I still find weird considering it's Doctor Who.
All that aside, I still have big issues with the oh-so-convenient "we can't go back because we'll risk changing something in history" ending when all the Doctor ever bloody does is alter history - I mean if he didn't there would be no series. I think he should just be realistic every now and again and admit the truth (eg "We can't go back, Rose, because then the ending wouldn't be quite so tragic", "Sorry Rose, the TARDIS has a dramatic ending sensor and I just can't override it","Look Tegan we can't go back because Adric was really a bit crap", etc). Personally I think he shouldn't have gone back simply because the ending is much more powerful because it's sad - especially the ironic fact that for once the Doctor doesn't learn what it was all about but we do.
The one final thing I liked was the fact that you had to think about the ending and, once you'd got it, it all made sense. Well...except for the bit about why they used clockwork robots in the 51st century - was that just in case something awful happened to the ship and if they went berzerk and travelled back in time to seek Madam De Pompadour they'd fit in perfectly with the French setting? If so, man, that's thinking ahead! And just think of what the insurance claim would be like for that ship: "Excuse me, do you know those maintenance robots you sold me? Well they went bonkers and chopped up my crew to use for spare parts. What kind of warranty is that?!"
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