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Archie
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Not as strong for me as Bad Wolf mainly becuase it wasn't as self contained but some nice pure Doctor vs bad guy sparing. And Jackie as his companion - there's something I never expected to see!
Voidship existing outside our reality and therefor immune to Rose's extermination of the Daleks in the Parting of the Ways. Very clever writing and scripting. Roll on next week for what should be an incredible last episode...fingers crossed! |
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actorguy
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 09:44 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis]
This episode opens up with Rose telling the story of her death. But wait a bloody minute, how can she be telling this story... framing it in the past-tense, if she is dead? |
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It was good enough for Billy Wilder in SUNSET BOULEVARD. There's a lot of literary/filmic precedence for this technique. :-)
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seanhuxter
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 09:52 AM EDT |
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I'm going to use spoiler color text in case anyone has missed the "next week preview". Because it reveals a few things that may make my theory of Rose's death viable, which is similar to Louis's, but more involved.
First, let me say that having Rose narrate her own deat in the past tense is not ridiculous at all.
In the novel "The Lovely Bones", a dead girl narrates the story of her murder. It's a literary style.
But as for Rose's death, here's my theory. Highlight between the brackets to read:
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So in the preview we see not only Mickey, but Pete. Pete Tyler. That's right. Rose's Dad.
So my theory is that when this crisis is over, Mickey goes back to his universe, with Pete. And Jackie. Jackie meets Pete, who's now a hero, and real stand-up guy, not to mention financial success, and in his world, Jackie is dead.
But no one necessarily knows she's dead, so Jackie can go take her place seamlessly, and live with Pete, only not a flaky Pete - a successful, confident, heroic Pete.
And Rose goes with her. She can't live in a universe without her Mum, so she goes with Mickey and lives in their universe.
On our Earth, after all the destruction, she and Jackie would simply be seen as dead, since they are just - gone without a trace.
It all fits, and it makes room for Rose to leave (as we know she is going to) and she'll have to leave the Doctor, and that scene's going to be heart-wrenching, you just know it.
So there's my theory, not entirely mine, but pieced together from elements we've seen in the episode, and the preview.
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But wow. What an episode! The one thing that seemed out of place, though, was the Doctor's confusion about Torchwood. When he emerged from the TARDIS, to an armed reception, with someone who obviously knew who he was and what hs TARDIS was, why didn't he say "Is this UNIT???" To him, it would certainly be a logical conclusion.
Instead he looked confused. Not what I'd expect from him in that situation. I'd expect him to think it was UNIT.
But I have to say that with the last two episodes, and "Idiot's Lantern", this is much more of what Doctor Who should be.
To those who watched this week's Confidential (ie: 30 minute Ad for Torchwood) they did the dumbest thing - "Hey, did any of you clever fans catch the hard-to-spot, sneaky Torchwood references in this year's episodes???"
Uh... you mean the ones on the head of the sledgehammer that kept hitting me in the face?
Still, I have to say I was quite happy with this episode, and I can't imagine not liking next week's.
Now the big question remains: Who replaces Rose?
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Magpie
Registered: 06/29/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 10:43 AM EDT |
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If I was working on the show I'd be rubbing my hands together with glee watching these forums salivate over every single possible tidbit of a clue! And then don't forget, for the sake of fun and suspense the previews are probably always going to try to mislead us just a tiny bit  the speculation is fun, tho |
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 11:00 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] ...
Instead he looked confused. Not what I'd expect from him in that situation. I'd expect him to think it was UNIT.
But I have to say that with the last two episodes, and "Idiot's Lantern", this is much more of what Doctor Who should be.
To those who watched this week's Confidential (ie: 30 minute Ad for Torchwood) they did the dumbest thing - "Hey, did any of you clever fans catch the hard-to-spot, sneaky Torchwood references in this year's episodes???"
Uh... you mean the ones on the head of the sledgehammer that kept hitting me in the face?
Still, I have to say I was quite happy with this episode, and I can't imagine not liking next week's.
Now the big question remains: Who replaces Rose?
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Bravo Sean... All interesting points and I your take on Rose's departure seems reasonable.. we both agree that (highlight between brackets for possible spoiler) [ she will relocate and 'die' in name only ].
It is sort of surprising that UNIT is not even mentioned... perhaps next week.
I agree about this week's Confidential... how could any fan miss all the Torchwood references this year? At least we can look forward to no more references in next year's series... or we can hope the references ended in the 2006 series. I am sure there will be something else next year that will be sledgehammered at us.
Yeah, if Freema Agyeman character, Adeola is really dead, she won't be the new companion that she was reported to be in the tabloids... unless it is the alternate universe Adeola that joins the Doctor?
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Satai Styx
Registered: 09/12/05
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 11:14 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis] Yeah, if Freema Agyeman character, Adeola is really dead, she won't be the new companion that she was reported to be in the tabloids... unless it is the alternate universe Adeola that joins the Doctor?
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Oh yes, and those tabloids are just oh-so-accurate. By the way, did you know I just won the Miss America pageant?   |
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seanhuxter
Registered: 08/27/05
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 11:26 AM EDT |
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Yeah, Louis, with an alternative universe, anything's possible. The only thing we know can't happen is that the alternate universe's Rose will join him as companion, as I'm not sure he'd take to a little yappy dog.
Still, clues to who's playing the companion has been fairly well hidden from us so far... hopefully it will be a nice surprise.
Actually, I was thrilled to see Mickey in this episode. I didn't read any spoilers leading up to this one (except speculation it would contain both Cybermen AND Daleks) so I didn't at all expect to see him. Great surprise.
And yes, I was happy to see him.
Sean.
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 11:58 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter]
To those who watched this week's Confidential (ie: 30 minute Ad for Torchwood) they did the dumbest thing - "Hey, did any of you clever fans catch the hard-to-spot, sneaky Torchwood references in this year's episodes???"
Uh... you mean the ones on the head of the sledgehammer that kept hitting me in the face?
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A couple of them were a little more subtle. Most of them qualify as more "slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick" though.
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Now the big question remains: Who replaces Rose?
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Especially given that the attractive woman tipped by the tabloids appears to be dead. |
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mpe
Registered: 04/10/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 12:01 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis]
Yeah, if Freema Agyeman character, Adeola is really dead, she won't be the new companion that she was reported to be in the tabloids... unless it is the alternate universe Adeola that joins the Doctor?
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Or it could have been the AU Adeola or a clone which was killed. |
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Louis
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 01:35 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] ...
Actually, I was thrilled to see Mickey in this episode. I didn't read any spoilers leading up to this one (except speculation it would contain both Cybermen AND Daleks) so I didn't at all expect to see him. Great surprise.
And yes, I was happy to see him.
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They accidentally gave away that Mickey was going to be back because he can be seen in the trailer last week for this episode, albeit very briefly he was in it, along with is Peter Tyler as well.
Last week's trailer for this week's episode had several scenes that were not in this week's episode at all, of course, we can assume they will be seen in next week's episode which this story continues in.
It was nice to see Mickey again, but I wasn't surprised by it due to the spoiler last week.
Although I still enjoyed Army of Ghosts I wish I didn't know as much as I did going into it... but it is sort of hard for me to stay completely spoiler free these days... which is a bit unfortunate.
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Doctor Slug
Registered: 05/20/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 01:46 PM EDT |
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To those who watched this week's Confidential (ie: 30 minute Ad for Torchwood) they did the dumbest thing - "Hey, did any of you clever fans catch the hard-to-spot, sneaky Torchwood references in this year's episodes???"
LOL couldnt miss them could we........
BUT i watched season 1 finale other day and it had referance to Torchwood in it too!!! i think its one of the questions the ann droid asks. So Torchwood set up goes back before season 2 to season 1..... |
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Louis
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 02:03 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Doctor Slug] To those who watched this week's Confidential (ie: 30 minute Ad for Torchwood) they did the dumbest thing - "Hey, did any of you clever fans catch the hard-to-spot, sneaky Torchwood references in this year's episodes???"
LOL couldnt miss them could we........
BUT i watched season 1 finale other day and it had referance to Torchwood in it too!!! i think its one of the questions the ann droid asks. So Torchwood set up goes back before season 2 to season 1..... |
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It's first mention was in Bad Wolf, episode 12 of the 2005 series. It was included in the summery in this week's Confidential: Welcome to Torchwood episode.
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jab420
Registered: 07/02/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 02:40 PM EDT |
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| Billie Piper wants to leave the part of Rose, but does Rose really die. Do you think that after being exposed to the heart of the tardis and the discussion that follows about how they both can see the whole of time that maybe Rose is a evolving human into a timelord. Jacky also said that after all the traveling with the doctor that you would not be human any longer. I dont know. |
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BadWolf
Registered: 03/25/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 03:11 PM EDT |
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Lots of theories going about; time to add my 10 cents worth.
The Genesis arc:
Contains either Davros or the Emporor. It was Dalek shaped and the Daleks said that it must be protected at all costs.
So after the time war a faction of Daleks escaped with a void ship to preserve one or the other and to ensure that the Daleks survived. A void ship in the void would be immune to the time war.
I think Rose will re enter the Tardis (perhaps to recreate Bad Wolf) and this time the Tardis will take her.
She has made noises about becoming the Doctor and RTD said he didn't see why not.
So the Tardis swallows Rose which means to all intents andpurposes she is dead but also not keaving the possibility open for her to re emerge from the Tardis at some time in the future as the Doctor.
Otherwise you would have the problem that she isn't a Timelord.
Try this for a possibilty:
The Doctor is dying and there are no more regenerations left..... He enters the Tardis to die and the Tardis weaves some magic from its heart.
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Sunday, July 02 2006 @ 03:34 PM EDT |
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Crumbs! You're a harsh task-master. If that episode of Doctor Who doesn't impress you, what on Earth would? |
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