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BadWolf
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[Quote by: Doctor Whoovie] On seening this episode the "Ghosts" reminded me very much of the shadow's which were so menacing in Alan Garner's children's classic book "Elidor". I guess Brit's only will be able to comment on this as I was unable to buy the book for my kids in the US and had to obtain it on a trip to the UK.
Also I recently listened to the sixth Doctor audio "Project Lazerus", Torchwood seems to be represented as an exact duplicate of the Forge from this story.
Good Ep though, I hope everything is not resolved in the last 10 seconds with a satsuma. |
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Project Lazerus was a goodie and its predesessor Project Twilight spawned several different story arcs which ran through the BF series including Lazerus and Zargreus. You're right Torchwood does seem like the forge. How many times is it now that that RTD has gone to Big Finish for his inspiration? If readers of these pages and fans of the new series are not listening to Big Finish they probably should be. |
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Forget the shooty dog thing!
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mad4plaid
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 09:44 AM EDT |
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whew. Vacations really mess up the ability to get in early with the comments on the forum...
Loved the last few minutes: Mickey shows up and I let out a high pitched girly squeek (not too unusual, since I am female, but still not one of my prouder moments) - I hadn't noticed him in the preview last week. The void ship opens and I say quite loudly something that sounds like "moly fit!" I didn't believe the rumors about both being together in the final, so I was truly taken by surprise.
So, two baddies in the final two episodes, while it should be interesting, I can only think of the Batman movie sequels (not Batman Begins, the other ones). I always felt that by putting two "archnemisis" in the same movie you were only showing a weakness in your writing skills, as you really weren't using either baddie in the right way... Here's hoping that doesn't hold up for The Doctor.
When I imagined Torchwood, I never imagined a fascist organization. Don't hate me Ken, but taking alien technology for the good of yourself reminds me of the renegade faction of the NSA in Stargate SG-1... without the hospitality unit, of course.
As to everyones comments on the Doctor being exiled from Earth... well, I'd say its more likely that he'll get some sort of "exemption" on visiting Earth. Remember that RTD has said the Doctor will be Earth based, so it'll be kind of hard to exile him... he'd only be able to visit Earth Pre-Queen Victoria....
And one last comment for now: I do hope they really kill Rose off. Let's not beat around the bush with this -- let's just do it and get it over with! |
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Doctor Whoovie
Registered: 04/26/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 02:00 PM EDT |
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| It just struck me that the Genesis Ark is almost certainly a way for the Daleks to reintroduce the Daleks to our (or at least the Doctor's) universe since their untimely removal. |
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Doctor Slug
Registered: 05/20/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 02:51 PM EDT |
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The void ship had the Dalaks, in the Genesis Ark will be Davros hmm any connection to Genesis of the Dalaks maybe eh that Tom Baker episode.
Also the Black Dalak is helping to guard the Genesis Ark.
Cybermen lasers dont hurt the Dalaks by looks of things in the next weeks preview, as the Dalak shields seem to stop them, dunno what a Dalak laser would do to a Cyberman??
Come to think of it when did Cybermen get those blinking lasers that pop out their arms.....
I'm very sure its Davros in the Genesis Ark for sure just look at the shape of the Ark very Davros shape isn't it....
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Magpie
Registered: 06/29/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 03:06 PM EDT |
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| So just to put everyone's minds to rest I pulled out the ol' tarot cards just to find out what's inside the Ark and you know what card I got? The Emperor. So there you go folks - the stars have spoken. |
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 03:08 PM EDT |
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Davros may be too obvious... (calling it the "Genesis Ark")... They may just be leading us to think it is Davros, so I suspect it won't be... but rather be some sort of mechanism or device or such. Whatever the case, we shall see soon enough I suspect. It should be interesting nonetheless.
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joereform
Registered: 06/11/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 03:18 PM EDT |
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Now THAT's what I am talking about! What an episode! Sure, they were the Cybusmen, but I rank this as one of the top episodes of Series 2. Here's what I think makes this classic Who:
1. Torchwood. Yvonne is brilliant and once again, we see humans playing around with things they know nothing about, ignoring the Doctor's advice. Stupid apes!
2. New, improved Mickey. Could he be the Doctor's new companion? I think he could keep up now. Certainly he isn't the "tin dog" anymore.
3. One hell of a mess for the Doctor to fix. While I agree that this episode doesn't have the fright factor of "The Impossble Planet/The Satan Pit," having the entire planet suddenly becoming occupied territory is just the over-the-top, no-holds-barred kind of situation that distinguishes this episode from the silliness that is "Love and Monsters." That, and here come the Daleks, and we all know SOMETHING is going to happen to Rose. This isn't going to be neatly solved with a well-aimed piece of fruit...
The pacing of the show was excellent, in my opinion, considering it is a two-parter. The development of the "ghostshift" from a worldwide fascination to the threat that it is played out very well. While a few on this forum have complained about showing the Cyberman too early, I think it was a good way to show us the underlying internal conspiracy which led to the "ghosts" fully materializing.
And the interplay between Yvonne and the Doctor is stellar. For once, someone knows more about him than he does about them, even if he knows more about what they are playing around with than they do.
All in all, it ranks up there with the Beast two-parter and "School Reunion" as my favorites from Series 2.
--Joe
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 05:09 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: joereform]
2. New, improved Mickey. Could he be the Doctor's new companion? I think he could keep up now. Certainly he isn't the "tin dog" anymore.
--Joe
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snip lots of good points -
As to Mickey - since he's been fighting Cyberman in the other dimention - surely he should be snapped up by Torchwood. They don't want the general public to know what's happenning so he's better inside the organisation.
That's is unless he goes back to the alternate Earth.
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joereform
Registered: 06/11/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 05:33 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
snip lots of good points -
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Thanks.
I found one more exchange in the episode very interesting. The Doctor tells Yvonne that a 21st-century earth cannot be allowed to have the alien weaponry that Torchwood possesses. Her response basically can be summed up as "Says who?"
In a universe apparently down to only one Time Lord, she makes a valid point...
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Doctor Slug
Registered: 05/20/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 05:39 PM EDT |
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The Doctors next companion is Captain Jack he is retruning to Doctor Who in series 3 to travel with the Doctor again so say the Daily Star newspaper...
so that will make 1 new unknown at this time companion and captain jack as companion 2 woot woot, and then i presume he will leave sometime series 3 to goto Torchwood although the paper said he was going to travel with the Doctor in series 3 as a companion for abit. |
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Abersoch
Registered: 11/27/05
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 05:52 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Doctor Slug] Cybermen lasers dont hurt the Dalaks by looks of things in the next weeks preview, as the Dalak shields seem to stop them, dunno what a Dalak laser would do to a Cyberman?? |
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Oh come on. Can't you guess? I bet at least one of them will fall to his knees and his head will explode for no good reason (not that I'm complaining. You've got to have cybermen with exploding heads. Could also do with a couple of exploding Daleks thrown in for good measure too.) 
As to Capt Jack joining the Doctor for next week and going into season 3, I thought that Torchwood would be airing between seasons 2 and 3 and since Capt Jack seems to be in episode 1 of Torchwood (if the Confidential sneak peak was anything to go by) I don't think he can. If I had to be pinned down to suggest a potential companion, it would be Jake. Of course, having said that, I've no doubt put the mockers on it and he'll die in the season finale next week. 
Personally I'm still hoping they'll plump for the corpse of that Torchwood girl who died and the Doctor could hang her from the coat rack by the door of the TARDIS and have imaginary conversations by grasping her cheeks and making her open her mouth in time to his high-pitched squeaky words in a hilarious comedy manner. 
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Magpie
Registered: 06/29/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 05:57 PM EDT |
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| Abersoch maybe The Doctor will just start talking to his crooked finger in a creaky voice, a la The Shining. |
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Louis
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 07:53 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Magpie] Abersoch maybe The Doctor will just start talking to his crooked finger in a creaky voice, a la The Shining. |
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Registered: 05/01/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 10:14 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Abersoch]Oh come on. Can't you guess? I bet at least one of them will fall to his knees and his head will explode for no good reason (not that I'm complaining. You've got to have cybermen with exploding heads. Could also do with a couple of exploding Daleks thrown in for good measure too.) |
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Well I think its in the Tardisode, or was it the Confidential, but your right Abersoch you do get to see at least one Cybusman's head exploding, but only after it seems he fires shot upon shot at a Dalek with no effect and it only takes the Dalek one shot and HEY PRESTO its boiled over Cybusman and spaghetti and milk sauce for everyone - its a fairly dramatic scene and shows, I believe, just how ruthless and mean the Daleks really are and why, possibly, the Cybusmen decide to try to ally with the Daleks because they realise that ultimatly they are going to get their tin ass's kicked. |
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psibob
Registered: 02/18/06
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| Monday, July 03 2006 @ 10:44 PM EDT |
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So since RTD in the commentary says that the 3-D glasses are important to the story next week, what does everyone think there purpose is?
Maybe something to do with the Genesis Ark....
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