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     Friday, February 02 2007 @ 01:47 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  teshia] This is a common Cult of Mac argument


    Using Mac Fanaticism as an Excuse?

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     Friday, February 02 2007 @ 06:47 PM EST
    Hmm, that's an awful lot of writing for someone who reckons they're not a fanatic. Sounds to me like someone has a chip on their shoulder Wink

    Personally I think the whole PC v Mac argument is a load of old bunkum. As far as I'm concerned they're both rubbish. There's only one system I use: pen and paper. It never crashes, never runs out of memory and the only limit to the graphics is you own imagination.

    No siree, you'll never catch me using one of those computer thingies.

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     Friday, February 02 2007 @ 07:29 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Abersoch] Hmm, that's an awful lot of writing for someone who reckons they're not a fanatic. Sounds to me like someone has a chip on their shoulder Wink

    Oh, I never said I wasn't a Mac fan(atic), but I just love hearing the Microsoft apologists always playing the "cult" card not seeing that they are the opposite side of the same coin. It is fun to hear idiots on both sides repeating myths about the other platform with no actual first hand experience.

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     Saturday, February 03 2007 @ 10:54 PM EST
    Funny article. What it seems to leave out is that Thurrott spends more time bashing Microsoft than Apple. That's the whole reason he was hired by Leo Laporte (an avid Apple user) to do a show in the first place. While that article has him quoted as accusing Apple of FUD/lies, he spends far more time accusing Microsoft of that and more in his Windows Weekly podcast. Even from the perspective of an Apple user, that's a fairly slanted article. Paul's hardly friendly with Microsoft and miles away from being an "apologist".

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     Saturday, February 03 2007 @ 11:58 PM EST

    Well, that's because most of the flamers on the Mac/Apple side are not interested in reading his Microsoft articles and only bash him when they perceive he got something wrong about the Macintosh or Apple. And there are a number of writers, sometimes including Thurrott, that like to bait the other side into attacking them just to get their hit counts up.

    The key is that there are many self proclaimed experts that have little to no experience with other than their main platform, and they just keep repeating the myths about the other irregardless of whether or not the myth has been disproven. I just love hearing about the Mac only having one mouse button. Mac OS X has always supported multi-button mice, and many of them require no additional drivers. And I've been using a 4-button track ball for over a decade with my various Macintosh compuers. So I guess the real problem in this internet era is that no one
    does independent research any more. They just Google for the first thing they can find and pass that off as fact. Hey, even I've caught myself doing that!

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     Sunday, February 04 2007 @ 08:46 AM EST
    Oh that's totally true. I know I've certainly done it in the past when I had a tendency to pick a side. I think a lot of us computer users go through that at some point. In the end, there's no point.

    I see a lot of what you're saying in the Mac vs. PC ads and it really bothers me. They're great ads, but they leave out one really important point - they tell you nothing about the product they're supposed to be selling. By the end of all of those ads, I have no idea what a Mac looks like, how much it costs, what's its features are or why I'd buy it, other than the fact that it's NOT Windows. Seems more like a political smear campaign ad (with comedians) rather than an actual promotion of the product. I wish they would change that. Apple has a lot to brag about and with their increasing market share they should really start making their ads a lot more positive if they want to snag Windows users.

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     Sunday, February 04 2007 @ 09:10 AM EST
    Very good point. While I always laugh at the adverts, as a marketing technique they fail in one very important role: If you want someone to start buying something from you, don't make fun of their past decisions - even in the most circumspect manner - otherwise they are more likely to say "well if I have such crap taste, why the hell do you want me to buy your product?"

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     Sunday, February 04 2007 @ 09:33 AM EST

    It's also fun to compare it to Microsoft's historic Windows 1.0 ad campaign. I want Reversi! Now, I have a question—is Nebraska a Mac enclave? a UNIX safe house? Or does Ballmer think they don't need Windows there? Smile

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     Sunday, February 04 2007 @ 09:47 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  teshia] They're great ads, but they leave out one really important point - they tell you nothing about the product they're supposed to be selling.

    I think that is the state of most ad campaigns nowadays, with the exception of movies—the one thing where you would want to know slightly less about before going to see it. No, the campaign is just meant to increment the coolness factor and to keep putting the Apple name out there, and it has the secondary effect of making the competition uncool. Now there are quite a few people that see the person representing the Mac as being smug, like they perceive many Mac users to be, but many would still trade in the risk of smugness if they could be cool in return.

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     Sunday, February 04 2007 @ 12:12 PM EST
    Yeah I'm not sure why he tests so low with people. Personally I think he does a great job in those ads. Maybe it was just a bad decision to put him up against anybody from The Daily Show. Anybody from The Daily Show is always going to come out looking infinitely funnier. Their people are just too good.

    As for Balmer, I wish they would feed him to the horda and be done with it - what a dick that guy is. All he's good for is a quick monkey dance and some blown eardrums but that's about it. I REALLY hope he's not controlling as many of the decisions at Microsoft that they imply he is. From appearances, it looks like he could barely tie his shoes competently.

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     Tuesday, February 06 2007 @ 05:22 AM EST
    iTunes won't work correctly on Windows Vista

    Story on BBC News Website

    Support Doc in Apple Website

    I wonder who is to blame - I guess Apple could point to Vista being at fault - Microsoft could point to Apple and say Vista has been available for testing for ages. I'm really not trying to blame either side - I'm just interested to see if either side will blame the other! At least they are working together to fix it.

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     Tuesday, February 06 2007 @ 10:47 AM EST
    It's largely FUD. I've been using iTunes in Vista for a month now and it doesn't do anything out of the ordinary. I haven't had any Vista crashes or iTunes crashes and all the functionality appears to be there. At most, whatever this supposed bug is, it's minor. They're making it sound much worse than it is, probably to create FUD around Vista. Not that I'd expect anything less from either Apple or Microsoft. Ironically, I had FAR more problems running iTunes in Windows XP.

    Oh wait, just looking at the problem list now. They're listing stuff like:

    - Cover Flow animation may be slower than expected.
    - Contacts and calendars will not sync with iPod.

    Oh boy. We're doomed.

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     Tuesday, February 06 2007 @ 12:38 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  teshia] It's largely FUD. I've been using iTunes in Vista for a month now and it doesn't do anything out of the ordinary. I haven't had any Vista crashes or iTunes crashes and all the functionality appears to be there. At most, whatever this supposed bug is, it's minor. They're making it sound much worse than it is, probably to create FUD around Vista. Not that I'd expect anything less from either Apple or Microsoft. Ironically, I had FAR more problems running iTunes in Windows XP.

    Oh wait, just looking at the problem list now. They're listing stuff like:

    - Cover Flow animation may be slower than expected.
    - Contacts and calendars will not sync with iPod.

    Oh boy. We're doomed.


    Query, have you purchased any media from the iTMS? According to your prior comments I would assume not. The problems lie with the DRMed media files purchased from Apple. Unlike you, there are people with hundreds of dollars (or pounds or mucho yen, etc.) invested in their media which will not be playable without a few hacks. For those people, it is a showstopper.

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     Tuesday, February 06 2007 @ 09:25 PM EST
    I see your point. No, I've never bought anything from the music store, I'm a record collector so I prefer the original copy. I generally just play stuff from my collection or podcasts so it's never become an issue for me.

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     Tuesday, February 06 2007 @ 09:47 PM EST

    I've only purchase a few tracks from the iTMS. Mainly exclusive stuff which probably will not get a different release. I have about 800 vinyl discs and close to 3000 pieces of polycarbonate discs and a handful of four and eight track magnetic tapes and an acetate disc. So for me, it isn't a big deal either if I had a PC that needed upgrading. But when people's investments are no longer usable, then I see a problem.

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