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hdutch007
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meh.
It was okay. It wasn't bad, but if this wasn't Doctor Who related with Captain Jack, I would not be making an effort to catch it every episode.
As for the lack of plot holes BadWolf mentions...come on, this was full of them.
They order pizza under "torchwood" and this never caused them problems?
There is an elevator that takes them to the street, but when the question of a hole in the ground comes up, Jack laughs it off, never adressing it.
what was up with the shot of Captain Jack standing on top of the building? Apart from looking "cool," what was that all about? Is he Batman? Was he searching for evil?
I thought that this show had a serious lack of charm.
I also think that it takes more than a few F words to make a show "adult." This show is NOT what I would consider an equivalent to the X-Files in any way, shape, or form. It's not dark enough, it's not moody enough, and honestly, not well enough written.
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merlin_mccarley
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Well the hole in the ground (elevator) was addressed, the TARDIS recharge from "Boom Town" left an perception filter that even Jack doesn't understand completly. But my main problem is Owen, please kill the &*^) off. He is the bigest security problem since the outing of Valerie Flame Wilson by Karl Rove and he has less appeal than a Weevil. I know they all (I am sure Jack has more than a few trinkets) took their work home but he so far seems to be the only one who didn't learn a lesson from the golve. Don't give him a season, give his job to Ianto Jones or better yet the club bouncer with the CCTVs  (same problems more appeal). Not sure exactly why this troublemaker is there. |
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mpe
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 02:13 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: BadWolf]
This is obviously a shoe in for the American market especially having an American lead. I think that it is less quirky than Doctor Who (to outsiders) |
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mpe
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 02:16 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: old china]
I don't know if my finding this rather unsatisfying stems from RTD re-using too many ideas from the popular culture of our youth, or that I've just watched too much telly in my time and need to get out more. I don't really mind his doing this in Doctor Who (as most kids won't have seen Aliens and the chase in last seasons the Satan Pit would be new to them) but as Torchwood is very much aimed at adults (if you haven't already seen it, wait for episode 2) I was hoping for some newer ideas that would wow me, not just the same old ones we've all seen before. |
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KevinK
Registered: 04/18/06
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 02:32 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis] [Quote by: BadWolf] ..
I was trying not to give the details away. Now you've blown it
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I posted a warning in the top part of my original posting in this thread... that we are assuming you have seen this episode if you are reading this thread...
[Quote by: BadWolf] X-files meets Captain Scarlet perhaps?
I hope you know who Captain Scarlet was, if not you can research
I wonder when the Doctor will appear?
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Hmm... I suspect it may be some time before we see the Doctor here if at all. RTD seems to be going out of his way to separate this series from DW in the press... but who knows. I suspect it will be towards the end of series one.
I know of the Gerry Anderson series, Captain Scarlet. But unfortunately, I have never seen it yet. I am a fan of Anderson's other series (Thunderbirds, UFO, and Space: 1999) (although I have seen Space Precinct, I wouldn't call myself a fan of it) so I would be interested in catching Captain Scarlet sometime. I know there is or will a new CGI version of it, right?
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I think The Doctor did make an appearance in episode 2. What do you think that the severed hand was.
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hdutch007
Registered: 12/27/05
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 02:53 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: merlin_mccarley] Well the hole in the ground (elevator) was addressed, the TARDIS recharge from "Boom Town" left an awareness filter (I'll watch it again to see the exact description). But my main problem is Owen, please kill the &*^) off. He is the bigest security problem since the outing of Valerie Flame Wilson by Karl Rove and he has less appeal than a Weevil. I know they all (I am sure Jack has more than a few trinkets) took their work home but he so far seems to be the only one who didn't learn a lesson from the golve. Don't give him a season, give his job to Ianto Jones or better yet the club bouncer with the CCTVs (same problems more appeal). Not sure exactly why this troublemaker is there. |
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No, when I speak of the hole in the ground, I caught the Tardis reference. I am talking about a few moments later when she asks Jack something along the lines of what if someone were to step in that spot when the lift was at the bottom, and he tells her something like "just like a welshman. I show you something wonderful, you find a way to complain."
It seems to me that if someone stepped on that block when the lift was at the bottom, they'd fall. I'm sure this could be explained, but dangit, explain it on the show. You just told me that the Doctor's Tardis created a rift there, now explain the lift to me.
But Anyway...
I guess I just was expecting much more. I mean, after 13 references in Doctor Who series 2, this was built up pretty highly. I'm not sure it could have ever delivered to the hype that die-hard who-fans expected, but I don't think it even came close.
For more of my thoughts, see the episode 2 thread. |
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Abersoch
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 03:06 PM EDT |
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I guess you have to treat some things along the same lines as when watching Doctor Who and suspend belief when you know the programme is not going to give you an explanation.
Eg in Doctor Who no-one has a problem with him travelling in time or living in a box that's bigger on the inside than the outside (despite no adequate explanation being given for how either is possible) ...but if he kisses someone, well then that's just beyond the pale.
I think that how the lift works is going to be just another of these little annoyances that we'll just have to live with. |
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Louis
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 03:09 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: KevinK]
I think The Doctor did make an appearance in episode 2. What do you think that the severed hand was.
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Yeah, I believe he had a hand in that story... but my previous postings on this episode, Everything Changes was made prior to viewing episode 2, Day One.
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Linquel
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| Monday, October 23 2006 @ 11:55 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: KevinK]
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The Hand of Bo?
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Linquel
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 12:00 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: old china]
Torchwood - hmmmm. I wasn't too impressed. I didn't see a single original idea, I'm afraid. RTD just seems to keep recycling old Sci-fi ideas these days. Captain Jack's immortallity is straight from Captain Scarlett, or even Wolverine (especially the disappearing head shot). As Ken has said before in the podcast, Torchwood being a secret society protecting Earth from aliens has shades of Men In Black. The cells where the aliens are kept was Silence of the Lambs (the Weavil even wore a blue boiler suit, like Hannibal Lector). There are probably more, if anyone else wants to point them out. |
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My favorite recycled bit in the episode? The elevator is apparently protected by a Somebody Else's Problem field.
I haven't actually watched the whole thing yet, just the first 15-20 minutes. I'll hopefully watch them both in the next day or two.
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Doctor Whoovie
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 12:48 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Linquel]
I My favorite recycled bit in the episode? The elevator is apparently protected by a Somebody Else's Problem field.
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I must admit that I had exactly the same thought ripped straight out of HHGTTG. Overall, quite I liked the whole thing, I give it 3.5 building top straddles out of five. |
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seanhuxter
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 08:24 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis] [Quote by: BadWolf] ..
I was trying not to give the details away. Now you've blown it
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I posted a warning in the top part of my original posting in this thread... that we are assuming you have seen this episode if you are reading this thread...
[Quote by: BadWolf] X-files meets Captain Scarlet perhaps?
I hope you know who Captain Scarlet was, if not you can research
I wonder when the Doctor will appear?
Look at ep. 2 when I wake up |
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Hmm... I suspect it may be some time before we see the Doctor here if at all. RTD seems to be going out of his way to separate this series from DW in the press... but who knows. I suspect it will be towards the end of series one.
I know of the Gerry Anderson series, Captain Scarlet. But unfortunately, I have never seen it yet. I am a fan of Anderson's other series (Thunderbirds, UFO, and Space: 1999) (although I have seen Space Precinct, I wouldn't call myself a fan of it) so I would be interested in catching Captain Scarlet sometime. I know there is or will a new CGI version of it, right?
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I have both series of Captain Scarlet on DVD, the original 32 puppet episodes, and the two seasons of the latest CGI version, and while Captain Scarlet can't die, and he does use the power often, it never really gets tired.
Also in Heroes, no matter how often Claire ends up mangled, only to self-repair, we'll probably never get tired of it.
It's all in the writing.
I think the Captain Scarlet angle is appropriate considering the love Rose had for Captain Jack when she (and the TARDIS) revived him. She gave him an extra little gift.
I still don't understand, though, how in "Comic Relief", both the Doctor and Rose assumed that Jack was alive and well and helping rebuild the Earth.
First, it was how long in the future? And second, they left before finding out what happened to Jack. We only get to see him in a cut-away shot, being revived. Even Rose/TARDIS didn't necessarily know what happened to him on a conscious level.
So the big question is - how did Jack get to 21st Century Earth from the News Sattelite?
I hope we find out.
And I loved Jacks coat. It's basically a modernization of his WWII coat from "Empty Child/Doctor Dances".
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 08:57 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: hdutch007]
It seems to me that if someone stepped on that block when the lift was at the bottom, they'd fall. I'm sure this could be explained, but dangit, explain it on the show. |
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There is a cover over the hole when the lift is at the bottom. Captain Jack opens it before they accend - but that leaves a few seconds with the 'trap' open.
It would have worked better if the lift had rushed towards a closed roof - to be openned just as they reached the top.
They did say in the Declassified piece that this base had been constructed a long time ago hence the old rolling iron door etc.
Here a picture of the trap (that covers the hole) openning.
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 07:48 PM EDT |
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Maybe I wasn't reading carefully enough - but I can't believe nobody had anything to say about Gwen and The Unquiet dead - anyone for taking a wager about how long before Gwen starts to show some psychic powers?
I enjoyed it - I liked the cast, I even think it's neat to see Burn Gorman minus the greased up Guppy hair from Bleak House. I did feel like the resolution flew together a little too quickly at the end, and I snorfled when they had Jack standing on top of the buildling looking out across Cardiff (ha ha!) but I really did enjoy it. After the luke-warm so-so-ness of Robin Hood I had this sinking feeling that Torchwood was also going to let me down - but it didn't. I'm looking forward to finding out why Jack wound up in the time he's at and seeing any possible supernatural Gwen development come to light. |
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hdutch007
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| Tuesday, October 24 2006 @ 08:25 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Magpie] After the luke-warm so-so-ness of Robin Hood I had this sinking feeling that Torchwood was also going to let me down - but it didn't. |
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you think Robin Hood is only so-so? I am really enjoying that show. More than Torchwood! but I digress. To each their own. Maybe it has to do with the fact that most boys have a serious Robin Hood phase when they grow up. |
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