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daveac
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[Quote by: rocko] And I thought that *I* was the one who liked to go off on tangents in these threads!
.. Anyhow, just watched "Everything Changes" last night, and I'm sad to say I was disappointed. I was glad to see Captain Jack and some dialog about what has happened to him since "Bad Wolf", but things like the whole SEP field generator (or whatever thay called it in the episode) being a combined effect of the TARDIS's chameleon circuit and the time rift (they did not explicitly state that it was from the TARDIS, but come on...), etc, did not sit well with me.
I also cannot see how "Torchwood 3" could possibly be a branch of the same Torchwood operation we saw in Doctor Who, Series 2. Captain Jack seems to have *way* too much freedom to do as he pleases. |
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I can see if you watched the first episode on it's own that it would be disappointing - I thinks that's why they showed two episodes back-to-back.
As to Captain Jack having a lot of freedom at Torchwood 3 I took to mean that the main headquarters of Torchwood was distroyed maybe along with most of it's top officials leaving Captain Jack to run his area alomost as a standaload unit.
Cheers, daveac - got to go now to watch again on BBC2 |
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merlin_mccarley
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 04:07 PM EDT |
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So, while he found the rift and did some impressive solar engineering then had a heart to heart with Rose, she (Donna) stood there staring at the walls?  Common the Doctor wasn't that distracted that he would miss a wedding dress in his TARDIS  . He wasn't traveling when she appeared and I don't see the Doctor walking past her to the console without at least going  "What, What, What?" a long time before leaving earth. There are bigger things at work here. |
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 05:02 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: tarashnat]
Everyone is assuming that she just appeared. But couldn't the bride have just walked in??? The Doctor was distracted at the time! |
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While orbiting a black hole or whatever it was?
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 05:07 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis] [Quote by: tarashnat]
Everyone is assuming that she just appeared. But couldn't the bride have just walked in??? The Doctor was distracted at the time! |
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While orbiting a black hole or whatever it was?
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Oh wait a moment, do you mean she was already on board the TARDIS but in another room and she just stumbled into the Console Room at the time we see her (and the Doctor sees her)?
So she had to find her way inside the TARDIS while it was Earth sometime (it's there often enough), while the doors were unlocked?
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 06:01 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: daveac]
Cheers, daveac - got to go now to watch again on BBC2 |
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Well just watched the two episodes again and it plays better the second time - up from three severed hands to four :-)
EDIT and no on-screen logo (DOG) to spoil it!
Cheers, daveac |
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Linquel
Registered: 03/22/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:04 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: mad4plaid]
- So Jack's immortal. Could have waited a few eps to drop that bomb. But really, Jack did not seem to happy-go-lucky as I know and love him from 2005. Has the joy been removed from his life? Where was the flirting and double/triple entendres? Bring back my happy jack!
- I've watched the ep twice now and I still cannot figure out how did Gwen know to look up "Captain Jack Harkness." Did one of the cops at the homicide site mention his name when they mentioned "Torchwood?" Did she hear it when she was on the roof?
- and as someone mentioned previously: why does everyone know Torchwood's name? Where's the privacy? If they exist outside of the government/UN why does everyone in Cardiff seem to know about them?
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- I'm not sure how I feel about Jack being immortal after being brought back by Rose. I guess it's plausible. Does that mean he doesn't age, too? I wonder how much time is supposed to have passed between Parting Ways and him hooking up with Torchwood. I agree that he doesn't seem to be as happy-go-lucky as he was before. He looks a little goofier, too. I think it's his hair.
- I'm pretty sure she hears him identify himself when she was spying from the carpark.
- I don't like how everyone seems to know about Torchwood, too. I get the gag with the pizza place. That was funny. But the way they announce to the police and everyone else who they are is kind of annoying. |
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BadWolf
Registered: 03/25/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:18 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis] [Quote by: KevinK]
I think The Doctor did make an appearance in episode 2. What do you think that the severed hand was.
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Yeah, I believe he had a hand in that story... but my previous postings on this episode, Everything Changes was made prior to viewing episode 2, Day One.
Cheers,
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Yeah...........mine too |
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Forget the shooty dog thing!
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BadWolf
Registered: 03/25/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:24 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Magpie] Maybe I wasn't reading carefully enough - but I can't believe nobody had anything to say about Gwen and The Unquiet dead - anyone for taking a wager about how long before Gwen starts to show some psychic powers?
I enjoyed it - I liked the cast, I even think it's neat to see Burn Gorman minus the greased up Guppy hair from Bleak House. I did feel like the resolution flew together a little too quickly at the end, and I snorfled when they had Jack standing on top of the buildling looking out across Cardiff (ha ha!) but I really did enjoy it. After the luke-warm so-so-ness of Robin Hood I had this sinking feeling that Torchwood was also going to let me down - but it didn't. I'm looking forward to finding out why Jack wound up in the time he's at and seeing any possible supernatural Gwen development come to light. |
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You weren't reading carefully enough I'm afraid. Gwen was announced when they announced the series. |
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Forget the shooty dog thing!
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BadWolf
Registered: 03/25/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 09:14 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: mad4plaid].
But I do have issues:
- I've watched the ep twice now and I still cannot figure out how did Gwen know to look up "Captain Jack Harkness." Did one of the cops at the homicide site mention his name when they mentioned "Torchwood?" Did she hear it when she was on the roof?
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Corpse "My name is John who are you?"
CJ "Captain Jack Harkness"
About 5 minutes in when they are interviewing the corpse |
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Forget the shooty dog thing!
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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 09:31 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: daveac]I can see if you watched the first episode on it's own that it would be disappointing - I thinks that's why they showed two episodes back-to-back. |
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Will watch ep. 2 tonight and post on that thread about my take! |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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merlin_mccarley
Registered: 07/30/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 10:10 PM EDT |
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So is that to be the rating scale for Torchwood? The severed hand scale, or just by how many times we see the severed hand? 
Anyway, in Doomsday the Doctor was orbiting a supernova (using its energy output to make the "call" to Rose). And during the conversation we find out that Jackie is 4 months pregnant and the Doctor knows (first hand or his precog.) that Rose was declared dead  along with the others that died in Torchwood Tower. How much time has past is of course completely relative. But in my opinion the Doctor has taken some of that time, in real time to seal the rift caused by the Torchwood machinery. Though it's possible she "walked in" while the Doctor was Sealing the Rifts, I believe RTD is going for something a bit more than a Tegan Jovanka entrance. She didn't appear to have had the time to absorb anything about her surrondings, so using her behaviour as a guide, I think she "Walked through a Magic Door" and appeared in the TARDIS.
These are my own oppinions and I may stand by them for up to 60 days.  (or Torchwood proves me worng) |
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hdutch007
Registered: 12/27/05
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 10:13 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: merlin_mccarley] So is that to be the rating scale for Torchwood? The severed scale, or just by how many times we see the severed hand?
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I think we each have our own rating system. I am personally using the captive weevil system. As in episode one was 2 and a half captive Weevils out of 5. |
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Doctor Whoovie
Registered: 04/26/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 10:20 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: hdutch007] [Quote by: merlin_mccarley] So is that to be the rating scale for Torchwood? The severed scale, or just by how many times we see the severed hand?
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I think we each have our own rating system. I am personally using the captive weevil system. As in episode one was 2 and a half captive Weevils out of 5. |
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How about 3 snogs with Gwen out of a possible five  |
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 11:31 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: hdutch007]
I think we each have our own rating system. I am personally using the captive weevil system. As in episode one was 2 and a half captive Weevils out of 5. |
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"Weevils wobble, but they don't fall down" -- Now I am really dating myself.
Hey, weevils are actually beetles, also known as a snout beetle. I believe they are considered to be pests (in food crops).
Perhaps Torchwood spells the name differently? I don't know.
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Doctor Whoovie
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 11:57 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis]
"Weevils wobble, but they don't fall down" -- Now I am really dating myself.
Hey, weevils are actually beetles, also known as a snout beetle. I believe they are considered to be pests (in food crops).
Perhaps Torchwood spells the name differently? I don't know.
Cheers,
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Weebles are alive and well. Two well known weebles have adventures all the time here
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