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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| [Quote by: mad4plaid] ... RTD was going to neuter our transexual hero. |
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Well... perhaps pansexual, but not transexual... at least as far as we know so far, Captain Jack has always been male and identifies as such. 
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 03:57 PM EDT |
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And here I was thinking he was a quadrisexual—willing to do anything for a quarter... |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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daveac
Registered: 04/12/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 06:08 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: mad4plaid] Seriously though, Jack's sexual engery was enough to placate the alien for a bit? |
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Was it just his 'sexual energy' or was it that plus his life force (immortal energy)- after all he made her 'glow.'
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 07:51 PM EDT |
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I realize that sometimes shows take a few episodes to get off their backsides and charge forward, but I'm really not buying it with Torchwood. When you look at the number of shows that actually do make it interesting from their very first episode—Heroes, Battlestar Galactica, Cheers, M*A*S*H*, ER, even Friends for heaven's sake—Torchwood is clearly behind where it could have been dramatically even at this very early stage. It's a disappointment. Almost, I daresay, an embarrassing disappointment.
There is no way, for example, that if Torchwood were cancelled after this first 13 episode commitment, that it would inspire a legion of fans like Firefly did. These first two episodes have been emotional wastelands.
For a show that was supposed to be an original, it's got way, way too much in common with RTD DW. The deliberate copy of the "Rose" structure for episode one was pathetic. The notion of Jack as "immortal" and "mysterious" just makes him the Doctor-by-proxy. Aliens who conquer sexually? Jeez, how many times has that been done?
Thing is, the show has been built around Jack from the outset, instead of really giving us anything on his team. By the end of the second hour, with a mere handful of a cast like this, we should already have dramatic starting points for all their characters, and we really don't. It feels like a 1980s show, in that respect. It really felt like an 80s show when the Eve Myles character had to fight off a sexist attack from the "brainy" guy. (See, the characters were so unimpressive, I don't even know their names.) Is Eve Myles playing a kinder, gentler Tegan?
Honestly, I'd rather have the other Torchwood back. At least we had some glimmer of real interpersonal relationshps in the London branch. |
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"I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." — JNT, 1986
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seanhuxter
Registered: 08/27/05
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:00 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: James Parkin] Am I the only one who saw a pair of legs sticking out of the wheelie bin when they were looking about in the alleyway??? |
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At what point in which episode??? I saw nothing.
Sean.
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One solid hope is worth a cartload of uncertainties.
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Linquel
Registered: 03/22/06
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:21 PM EDT |
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| Saw both eps back to back last night. I'll focus strictly on ep. 2 in this thread. All-in-all, I give it a big Meh. I enjoyed it, I guess. The make-out scene with Gwen seemed a bit gratuitous. I still don't get exactly what Gwen is bringing to the organization. She doesn't come across as an exceptionally insightful cop or anything. I don't know why Jack brought her in. Hell, at least Will Smith sprinted to the roof of the New York Guggneheim chasing an alien to get into the MIB. I'll keep watching, but it's not hooking me the way Heroes or Life on Mars immediately hooked me. |
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I'm going "Full Circle" and putting my avatar back to what it was when I first joined. :)
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hdutch007
Registered: 12/27/05
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| Wednesday, October 25 2006 @ 08:36 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Linquel] Saw both eps back to back last night. I'll focus strictly on ep. 2 in this thread. All-in-all, I give it a big Meh. I enjoyed it, I guess. The make-out scene with Gwen seemed a bit gratuitous. I still don't get exactly what Gwen is bringing to the organization. She doesn't come across as an exceptionally insightful cop or anything. I don't know why Jack brought her in. Hell, at least Will Smith sprinted to the roof of the New York Guggneheim chasing an alien to get into the MIB. I'll keep watching, but it's not hooking me the way Heroes or Life on Mars immediately hooked me. |
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yeah, I agree completely. Why is Gwen there? She has contributed nothing at all. There's an opening for Torchwood, a shadow ops organization of highly trained specialists (who don't seem so highly trained), and they give that opening to the cop who watched them revive someone and then ran away?
I understand she's there to be the everyman. She's our eyes in Torchwood, but she has no reason to be there. It's another example of lazy writing. |
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Archie
Registered: 05/11/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 08:44 AM EDT |
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It seemed to me that Gwen added heaps of common sense and experience of investigative police work. Not to mention the value of her ground level, normal person perspective that appears to already have added real value.
Was I the only one who felt she put any proper work into the girl's plight?
Fun episode and if Torchwood does nothing else at least it has brought full sex to sci-fi. No more teasing and skin tight jumpsuits simply girls in short skirtshaving sex - oh and girl girl kissing that was a surprise but entertainingly done.
The show might be flawed but at least it is original. I do hope they continue to have the team not being sure how to work alien tech and I do wonder if the weevil storyline will grow to be a main factor in the show's life? |
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Practice acts of random kindness.
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James Parkin
Registered: 10/23/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 09:01 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter] | [Quote by: James Parkin] Am I the only one who saw a pair of legs sticking out of the wheelie bin when they were looking about in the alleyway??? |
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At what point in which episode??? I saw nothing.
Sean.
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after they knew she had killed that bloke, they were in the alleyway behind the club, and there was (I am sure of it) in the background, a big bin, with some legs/feet sticking out of it |
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 10:16 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Louis]
| [Quote by: mad4plaid] ... RTD was going to neuter our transexual hero. |
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Well... perhaps pansexual, but not transexual... at least as far as we know so far, Captain Jack has always been male and identifies as such.
Cheers,
Louis |
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duh-oh! I really need to learn read my postings before I hit submit. This is what I get for trying to articulate a thought in between meetings at work.
So, was "pansexual" the phrase used during Doctor Who to describe Jack? "Omnisexual" comes to mind as well, but I could have made that up...... |
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 10:24 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Archie] It seemed to me that Gwen added heaps of common sense and experience of investigative police work. Not to mention the value of her ground level, normal person perspective that appears to already have added real value.
Was I the only one who felt she put any proper work into the girl's plight? |
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I think that's what she is supposed to be doing. It seems the concept is here is Gwen, a good cop and a sort of Everyman. She gets involved with a group that has forgotten what it is to be ordinary, forgotten what ordinary people have to deal with. Her goal, her task as given to her by Jack in the ep, is to remind them what it is to be human and to care.
We saw in the first ep that Tosh, Owen and Sara (was that the name of the one who shot herself?) had taken advantage of their jobs to become more than human. Owen was abusing the technology for quick and easy gratification, Tosh was abusing it for quick knowledge, and Sara had just plain forgotten and turned herself into a serial killer. So now Jack has brought Gwen on to be, well, "us" I guess. The outsider looking in who questions and demands human responses from those around her.
At least, that is how I see it. |
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merlin_mccarley
Registered: 07/30/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 10:39 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: James Parkin] [Quote by: seanhuxter] | [Quote by: James Parkin] Am I the only one who saw a pair of legs sticking out of the wheelie bin when they were looking about in the alleyway??? |
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At what point in which episode??? I saw nothing.
Sean.
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after they knew she had killed that bloke, they were in the alleyway behind the club, and there was (I am sure of it) in the background, a big bin, with some legs/feet sticking out of it |
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Yep, they are there 12min. 40sec. into the episode there are two legs  (feet tward sky) from around mid calf sticking out of a bin on the right hand side of the screen. Had no idea they were there until I caught it in this thread. Will try to get pix up, but if you can get a quality cap please post it. |
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I'm a Time Traveler, I point and laugh at archaeologist.
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James Parkin
Registered: 10/23/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 11:59 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: merlin_mccarley]
Yep, they are there 12min. 40sec. into the episode there are two legs (feet tward sky) from around mid calf sticking out of a bin on the right hand side of the screen. Had no idea they were there until I caught it in this thread. Will try to get pix up, but if you can get a quality cap please post it. |
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phew, I dont need to get my eyes tested then
anyone got any Idea as to why they would be there?
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rocko
Registered: 07/21/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 01:15 PM EDT |
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No idea why the legs were there... I guess Cardiff is a pretty dangerous place to be loitering about in alleyways!
Glad to see that the Doctor made it into the episode, even in an "off-hand" way. Wait for it... *groan*. Whew, that was a bad one, wasn't it? We need to start a whole new thread for these "hand" puns!  |
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Did you say "74,384,338 to 1 against"? That's my lucky number!
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merlin_mccarley
Registered: 07/30/06
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| Thursday, October 26 2006 @ 01:22 PM EDT |
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Yes lets give a big hand to Louis, who I am sure will give us a hand with getting hands in motion on the job (pun avoided) of putting a hands off the hands except for the Hands Fourum so what do you say we hand off to him.  |
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I'm a Time Traveler, I point and laugh at archaeologist.
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