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     Sunday, October 29 2006 @ 06:00 PM EST
    Just watched Torchwood episode 3 - enjoyed it as a good 'story-driven' episode rather than ooh they are showing adult stuff.

    The connection is with another Sci-Fi show - not a plot spoiler - but space anyway



































    Blake - from Blake's 7 - Gareth Thomas - has a part in the story.

    Cheers, daveac

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:24 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  daveac] ...

    Blake - from Blake's 7 - Gareth Thomas - has a part in the story.

    Cheers, daveac


    Ah-Hah! I thought he looked terribly familiar when watching this episode... I couldn't place me, but I knew I knew him.... and I didn't pay attention to the credits at the end.

    Wow. He has changed.

    Cheers,
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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:33 AM EST

    ** This thread assumes you have already seen episode 3 of Torchwood - Ghost Machine as there may spoilers here within. **



    While I did think this episode was interesting, I didn't think it was anything all that new. We have seen this done before in science fiction that dealt with the device of seeing the future and then trying to change it only to discover it comes to be anyway.

    So does Captain Jack sleep or not? Was that just an expression or does he really not sleep? Is this a new condition that goes along with his new immortality?

    Why do they have Owen on the team again?

    Wasn't already made clear that the staff shouldn't be bringing home trinkets from work... yet again, Gwen does it here.


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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:49 AM EST

    Wow Louis, your Red Eye must have departed late. I've been back since about 10:00 your time Wink . Was waiting for you to officaly bless a spoiler/discussion thread for "Ghost Machine". We missed you, welcome back. Smile

    What are they thinking, any piece of alien tech and they start playing with it. No research lab or staff. So if something goes really bad, we are down to one active branch of Torchwood. And for all we know thats only one guy. After all the fuss in episode 1 about letting anything out of the lab, Gwen takes the device home and plays with it? Owen is an explosion waitning to happen. Spoiler for next week highlight to read[We know that next week a major internal breach will be uncovered.] Torchwood has the stability of the Middle East, and thats only the personell. The branch heads can't be that arrogent.

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 01:07 AM EST


    Diffrent side note.

    It will be difficult for an American audience to grasp the necessity for a police officer to go through rudimentary weapons training.
    Things may be moving that way here (espically in the North), but in the U. K. how long has it been since the police (in general) have been allowed to carry firearms?

    I'm a Time Traveler, I point and laugh at archaeologist.
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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 01:35 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  merlin_mccarley]
    Wow Louis, your Red Eye must have departed late. I've been back since about 10:00 your time Wink . Was waiting for you to officaly bless a spoiler/discussion thread for "Ghost Machine". We missed you, welcome back. Smile

    ...


    Yeah, to be honest, even though we were just talking about it this afternoon while recording our podcast, I then forgot about it... so I missed the first flight or two to the UK to see it Wink

    But then I remembered... and caught the next flight. Which in a way is better because it is much faster flight.

    I just came back from Second Life to see if there was anyone there talking about it... but there was none.

    Anyway, yeah it is hard to take Torchwood seriously when they don't even obey the rules they lay down from themselves.

    For an institution that we thought was supposed to be on a "need-to-know-only" basis... they seem to advertise themselves. Now every little alien gadget they find they just go willy-nilly with it and push all the buttons like they just bought it at the local Toys-R-Us or something. Why did Gwen press the buttons on it in the first place? Surely she is not stupid and surely knows better after her experiences in the last two episodes.

    Oh well. We will see what next week brings.

    Cheers,
    Louis

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 01:56 AM EST
    Yeah, that first flight has really gone to seed Wink.

    What I would really like to see is the -

    "Torchwood Orientation Film"

    We are above the law..

    and common sense,

    here is your card and weapon.

    You may throw the manual away.

    Now go bash some alien heads.


    The only thing I thought that Owen brought to the party was the fact that most of their Earthbound quary (and probably some aliens)
    are listed in the PHONE BOOK. The only problem with that is that it doesn't list their Phychatriac problems.

    Cheers,
    M. McCarley

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 06:07 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  daveac] Just watched Torchwood episode 3 - enjoyed it as a good 'story-driven' episode rather than ooh they are showing adult stuff.


    This was the first episode of Torchwood that I enjoyed. It was like they'd got over the "adult" label, so didn't shoe-horn in the "shocking" sex and swearing, and just got on with telling a story, which was to the episodes benefit.

    Quick points:

    1- I haven't checked, but I think it was a different director for this episode. I preferred the style to the first two.

    2- Maybe it's because I'm so used to seeing John Barrowman being openly gay here in the British Media, but's it's a bit weird seeing Captain Jack flirting with Gwen!

    3- Was it just me or was Jack alot more serious?

    4- Again, nothing new for us here in terms of Sci-Fi ideas.

    5-Blake looked really old! I remember reading ages ago somewhere that Blake was always the least coolest of the Liberator crew and that with his curly hair and wellies he looked more like a Welsh pig-farmer than a rebel leader. That quote came back to me hearing him speak with a Welsh accent in this episode.

    Wink

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 09:37 AM EST
    Old China and I agree: Jack is too serious, which I noticed in the first episode. At least he smiled a bit more here.

    I still go back to the fact that he is now immortal being the cause of his seriousness (and apparent lack of sex drive). Well, at least that's what happened to a few "new" immortals in the Highlander TV series (please, don't judge me too harshly for being a fan - the guys were hot, how could I avoid it?), so it seems to me that TW is borrowing that bit of character background.

    Owen, hmmmm. Seems they tried to give him a personality this weekend, but it just wasn't enough, he's still pretty much an arse. When are they going to involve Tosh and Ianto (was he even in this last episode)? Heck, Ianto appears to be the only one who may even have a clue how to behave in a covert fashion. Like to get him more involved and not just bringing in the tea and take-away.

    As Louis pointed out, the fact that a beat cop doesn't know how to fire a gun really gave me pause. I know they don't carry handguns in the UK, but I guess I assumed that they were given general weapons training. Nice that Jack took the opportunity to fondle her as he taught her.

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:21 PM EST
    This was an improvement. Just.

    Colin Teague's direction was palpably more appropriate to the shadowy nature of what Torchwood is nominally supposed to be. This is a series that should definitely be filmed mostly with handheld cameras and edited quickly, using shots from multiple angles and distances. The music was notably more narrative than it had been in the first two episodes. The opening narrative will hopefully be included on all future episodes as a teaser title sequence, in much the same way that Battlestar Galactica has a split opening sequence. This show needs something at the very top of the show to quickly set new viewers in their seats. And Helen Raynor has a decent ear for dialogue.

    All this made me care about what was going on here, in a way that I didn't for the first two episodes.

    That said, this show's still only improved to about a C- for me.

    The core idea is pretty hackneyed—I think Doctor Who, for instance, has been wrestling with the question of whether it's right to change history since its first season. Torchwood's analysis ultimately differs from any we've seen on Doctor Who, in that it dealt with the emotional ramifications of knowing the past and the future. That was good and interesting, but I'm not so sure Jack's "this isn't meant for us" really rings all that true. He was a Time Agent. He travelled with the Doctor. He got involved. He tried to change history. He died because of it. Now we're supposed to believe tampering with time ain't his gig anymore? I dunno how well that sits with me. The show opens with the line "the 21st century is when it all changes". The implication is that he's come to Earth at this time to effect, or at least wetnurse, those changes. Maybe all he's saying is that these humans aren't up to the challenge of time manipulation, but it felt like he was talking about himself, too.

    The firing range sequence was dumb. Fun, but outta place. What the hell was the relevancy to this plot? It was very well directed and acted. But it had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with the story. We could've used that time making this plot richer. I'm not bothered that a cop needed to be shown how to use a gun; I'm bothered that she needed to be shown in this episode. Felt like this belonged in episode 2.

    Owen's rage in this episode was a key element. But because we spent almost no time in the first two episodes setting up his character, it just didn't work. Who cared he was angry? Not me. We've got no baseline to work with here. Well, to be completely accurate, we've got a contradictory baseline. The first two episodes make him out to be a bit of a sexual neophyte. Was he angry cause he was seeing a bit of himself in Gareth's character? Or was he used here merely cause he's the only male besides Jack who actually leaves the building? Honestly, his role in this episode should've been given to Tash. Since we've gotten precious little characterization so far, her anger would've been instantly acceptable simply because she's female. And we could've seen her, the most analytically scientific one of the lot, wrestling with good, common scientific sense about using the device in the first place. The whole damned episode would've been better through her eyes, because we'd have gotten an interesting exploration of rational thought versus emotion in matters of, essentially, time travel.

    I really don't like that the series is still apparently developing along the lines of the "Jack and Gwen" story. You've got five people. Let's get their points of view, and use the right one(s) to tell a particular story.

    So, although I did enjoy the dialogue and most of the acting here, I think Raynor's got some serious deficiencies when it comes to structure, and the show's still not giving us the kind of balanced characterizations needed to establish emotional "hooks" for the audience.

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:34 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  merlin_mccarley]

    Diffrent side note.

    It will be difficult for an American audience to grasp the necessity for a police officer to go through rudimentary weapons training.
    Things may be moving that way here (espically in the North), but in the U. K. how long has it been since the police (in general) have been allowed to carry firearms?


    Most don't - like Gwen she hadn't had any small-arms training.

    However after the London bombings - and the big Manchester bomb - more police are 'fire-arms' qualified - but as ageneral rule guns are not carried by local police.

    Of course at airposts etc. they now seem to be the rule.

    Cheers, daveac

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 12:39 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  mad4plaid] immortals in the Highlander TV series.


    We could do with Duncan McCloud teaching Captain Jack a thing or two about fighting - his short 'fight' in episode one wasn't very good.

    Cheers, from one Highlander fan to another, daveac

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 08:56 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  old china]
    [Quote  by:  daveac] Just watched Torchwood episode 3 - enjoyed it as a good 'story-driven' episode rather than ooh they are showing adult stuff.


    This was the first episode of Torchwood that I enjoyed. It was like they'd got over the "adult" label, so didn't shoe-horn in the "shocking" sex and swearing, and just got on with telling a story, which was to the episodes benefit.


    While I enjoyed the first two episodes, they did suffer from the TNG syndrome. (Which is famous for its awful first season.) Torchwood was nowhere near that bad.

    But Episode 3 was lovely. I really liked it. Someone elsewhere commented it was more like an episode of "Sapphire and Steel" than anything else he could think of, and I agree.

    Loved it.

    I hope this is the direction the show is going.

    But yeah, even though police in the UK have traditionally not carried firearms, it seems ludicrous to me that they aren't at least trained in their use.

    After all, even when the cop on the beat doesn't have a gun, the police departments surely must have weapons for cases where they are needed. And while even that assumption may be wrong, it just doesn't seem correct that a Cardiff police officer had never held a gun before.

    RTD, keep 'em comin', cause this one was a great episode!

    And wow, my red-eye flight was on a Concorde last night. Never made the trip so fast! Almost made it across the pond and back in the time it takes to watch an hour-long TV show!

    Why is it never that fast when I'm flying over to see Doctor Who???

    -Sean.

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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 09:02 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  seanhuxter] ...
    And wow, my red-eye flight was on a Concorde last night. Never made the trip so fast! Almost made it across the pond and back in the time it takes to watch an hour-long TV show!

    Why is it never that fast when I'm flying over to see Doctor Who???

    -Sean.


    Yes, same here. For myself, I thought it was because I took a later flight. Having forgotten about it earlier in the evening, by the time I got to the airport, there were more pilots seeding flights over the pond... er-hem. I believe my roundtrip flight was complete in well under the running time of the episode. It was most impressive, I must say.

    Cheers,
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     Monday, October 30 2006 @ 09:29 PM EST
    I just wish some of my local flights could be on the BLACKBIRD Cool I cought last night. Phew.. I got dizzy Dalek syndrome.

    I do agree this one was better than the last two. As a Trek fan Eek! (I know) I can say that in production value they are far ahead of TNG season 1 on many levels (music alone would be enough) even accounting for the technoogy of the late 80's when TNG started. Just give us less angst and more plot linkage. Did they bother to investigate the guy who Bernie stole the stuff (Device, alien rocks, alien money)from? I thought that might be of intrest to Torchwood. Just on the off chance he had a few hidden trinkets Wink .

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