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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 11:53 AM EST
    Timeflight, I am also in my 30s and I assume you grew up on the classic series as I did. I don't think your comments make you a prude, but rather a purist.

    Having said that, I don't necessarily think that Torchwood needs to be held to the same standards as it is different than DW. And in my case different isn't necessarily as good or better.

    I am definately in the purist camp when it comes to DW. I have only seen the last half of Series 1 and the first few of Series 2. I remember wondering what the point was of the number of bisexual/homosexual references in the Christopher E. series. The bisexual banter between Jack and the Doctor. The girl in Empty Child who blackmails the father because he is having a relationship with the butcher. Was it put in the story to advance the plot or for shock value? You be the judge. I won't even address where Jack hides his blaster in a future episode. Definately different from the classic series.

    However, I have to come to terms with the fact that DW has evolved. Based on my purist views, I would never have expected to have enjoyed "The Girl in the Fireplace", but I found that to be one of the best episodes of the series (that I have seen), classic or new.

    Just giving my views. No offense intended to anyone.

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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 03:29 PM EST
    regarding the bits in Buffy that have been singled out as being too sexy, or pushing the envelope, I am an avid Buffy fan, and I never found any of that stuff to be that big of a deal. I've seen far more explicit stuff on standard US television. So I'm not sure that the comparison to Torchwood holds up. For that matter, I didn't necessarily think that the sex and "naughty bits" of Torchwood were pushing the envelope as much as just poorly done, or done in what I call a cheesecake manner, meaning just for eyebrow raising.

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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 03:32 PM EST
    But the point of this thread is to ask if Torchwood is the sort of spinoff that we as Doctor Who fans feel best uses Jack Harkness.

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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 06:32 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  daveac]
    [Quote  by:  seanhuxter]

    Then he's suddenly revived, and the two people he died to save are nowhere to be seen - he's been abandoned.

    Sean.

    Sinpped lot's of good points.

    This is one item I'm not sure of 'he's been abandoned'....does he think that or does he think (not knowing how he came back to life)...that the Doctor and Rose believe him to be dead.

    Cheers, daveac

    But Dave, why would the Doctor and Rose assume he's dead? Or better, why would Jack assume that they assumed so?

    He was on a completely different floor when he was killed. All he knows is that they left without him. He wouldn't know that they went downstairs to find his body. We also don't even know that he understood he had actually died.

    Certainly he has a lot of questions about that... as to how he survived a direct attack by Daleks, why he woke up and they were gone, why the hell he's suddenly Captain Scarlet...

    As to another question - would I prefer another Jack vehicle... well, there isn't one to prefer. I'll take this one until another one comes along. We can speculate till the Daleks come home about just what Captain Jack vehicles could exist if the conditions were right, and some of them might be absolute crap, while others absolute genius.

    The thing is, Torchwood works for me as-is. No need to speculate on what kind of vehicle would better suit Jack.

    Sean.

    One solid hope is worth a cartload of uncertainties.
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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 06:51 PM EST
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    [Quote  by:  daveac]
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    Then he's suddenly revived, and the two people he died to save are nowhere to be seen - he's been abandoned.

    Sean.

    Sinpped lot's of good points.

    This is one item I'm not sure of 'he's been abandoned'....does he think that or does he think (not knowing how he came back to life)...that the Doctor and Rose believe him to be dead.

    Cheers, daveac

    But Dave, why would the Doctor and Rose assume he's dead? Or better, why would Jack assume that they assumed so?

    He was on a completely different floor when he was killed. All he knows is that they left without him. He wouldn't know that they went downstairs to find his body. We also don't even know that he understood he had actually died.

    Certainly he has a lot of questions about that... as to how he survived a direct attack by Daleks, why he woke up and they were gone,
    Sean.


    Didn't he know the Doctor was watching him on a monitor....so he would likely think the Doctor had seen him die....and not knowing it was Rose who saved him...he would surely think they had left him for dead.

    Cheers, daveac

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     Thursday, November 02 2006 @ 07:45 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  daveac]
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    Then he's suddenly revived, and the two people he died to save are nowhere to be seen - he's been abandoned.

    Sean.

    Sinpped lot's of good points.

    This is one item I'm not sure of 'he's been abandoned'....does he think that or does he think (not knowing how he came back to life)...that the Doctor and Rose believe him to be dead.

    Cheers, daveac

    But Dave, why would the Doctor and Rose assume he's dead? Or better, why would Jack assume that they assumed so?

    He was on a completely different floor when he was killed. All he knows is that they left without him. He wouldn't know that they went downstairs to find his body. We also don't even know that he understood he had actually died.

    Certainly he has a lot of questions about that... as to how he survived a direct attack by Daleks, why he woke up and they were gone,
    Sean.


    Didn't he know the Doctor was watching him on a monitor....so he would likely think the Doctor had seen him die....and not knowing it was Rose who saved him...he would surely think they had left him for dead.

    Cheers, daveac

    I just hope we get an answer to this question before Torchwood episode 13, as I really want to know what happened!
    [Quote =Seanhuxter]The thing is, Torchwood works for me as-is. No need to speculate on what kind of vehicle would better suit Jack.

    I like my speculation. It's what makes fandom fun. Big Grin

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     Monday, November 06 2006 @ 09:29 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  timeflight] ...

    I have children now who love the new Doctor Who, and Captain Jack come tho that, but I can't let them see Torchwood even though it was rammed down their throats for most of series 2.

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    Right. You can't. Because it's not a kids' show. That's only smart parenting.



    No arguments there but what makes it hard is when its pimped so hard on what is ostensibly a kids show. It puts parents of kids that want to watch it in a difficult position. Even one of the writers admitted he thought that was a problem when I was talking to him at a comic con in Bristol

    [Quote  by:  timeflight] I know it's an adult programme, but why does it need the sex and swearing? I'm no prude but I suppose I am when it comes to people messing about with my childhood. The x-files was aimed at adults and I don't remember swearing in that. I'd let my children watch that.

    [Quote  by:  seanhuxter]
    I beg to differ. By saying "why does it need the sex and swearing" you threaten to brand yourself a prude. Plenty of movies and TV shows have it, and it's there to provide realistic dialogue. No one says "Gosh darn it, man!" anymore, and it's time TV censors began to realize that.

    Torchwood is NOT Doctor Who and the moment you begin to accept that, you may look at it differently. Sure, it's related to Doctor Who. It's a spinoff. Just like "Mork and Mindy" was a spinoff of "Happy Days".

    Nor is Torchwood X-Files, which was aimed at a comprehensive audience, not just an adult one.

    If you want to compare it to something contemporary, it's closer to Buffy whose sexual references were as extreme as a show could get in the US without having to be shown on pay-only cable channels.

    I recall the scene in "Hush" in which Anya walked up to Xander, and because neither could speak, and she wanted sex, badly, she made the universal sign of the finger of one hadn poking through the circle made by the thumb and forefinger of the other hand.

    I can only imagine that got by the censors because the censors aren't all that hip to street signal language.

    And during "Once More With Feeling" we basically see Willow and Tara having sex. Joss Whedon even admitted that that was blatant pornography.

    Torchwood IS aimed at a more adult audience, and I applaud the BBC and the British viewing public for not allowing themselves to be held hostage by some Big Brother Censor board whose repressed members can decide what the people they are hired by can or cannot see.

    [Quote  by:  timeflight]Torchwood on it's own I could deal with if the name wasn't an anagram of Doctor Who and John Barroman character wasn't Captain Jack, as a standalone programme it's fine, but as a Doctor Who spinoff, it has lost everything that was ever great about Doctor Who.


    As stated, it is a spinoff, it is NOT Doctor Who. What the anagram has to do with it I don't know. That was originally used to disguise the outgoing tapes so no one would know it was Doctor Who tapes and therefore steal them. Torchwood can be and is its own show. It just happens to take place in the same universe as Doctor Who.


    Sean.


    I do a podcast called geek syndicate and we have just released a special Torchwood episode, so download and give it a listen to see what I think about it

    I do think Russel is pushing an agenda. In Dr Who he introduced elements that have never been in Dr Who before both in terms of sexuality and race. It worked there and it didn't work there.

    In Torchwood it feels like he's trying to shoehorn in the same sexual agendas but they are so incongrous that it doesn't work. To get this amount of discussion about specific elements means that it was jarring and took people out of the story. if it does that, its not making its point.

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     Monday, November 06 2006 @ 09:31 AM EST
    hmm

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     Saturday, January 13 2007 @ 07:48 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  seanhuxter]
    Somehow he manages to get back into the 21st century, (we don't know how yet) but he's a changed man. His happy-go-lucky life of living on the edge, escaping justice by the skin of his teeth - that got wiped away by his savage murder by the Daleks, and further by his abandonment by the very people he died to help.

    You have to admit if that doesn't sober you up a bit, nothing will.

    To me this change of personality is an honest one, and the fact that he can even smile at all seems to me to prove that he is every bit the hero he showed himself to be when he faced down the Daleks with absolutely no hope of victory.


    Point well-made. I still miss the happy-go-lucky Captain Jack, though.

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     Saturday, January 13 2007 @ 11:39 PM EST
    Although I think the show has strong potential, as it is, I would have much prefered to see it unfold in a different way.

    Jack seems to be wasted on this scenario. His life experiences and his technical knowledge would be better used in a more futuristic environment that is not restricted to Earth.

    I get the feeling that they are borrowing from a number of popular movies and TV shows, and as a result it seems like a great deal of originality is missing.

    "Elemental, my dear Benton." The Doctor to Sgt. Benton (The Daemons)
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     Saturday, January 13 2007 @ 11:45 PM EST
    .... I wasn't going to comment because I always seem to stick up for torchwood - but then... I read something... disparaging Cardiff.... and suddenly I feel like I gotta stick up for the place!

    http://www.cardiff.gov.uk/ says:

    "Croeso i Gaerdydd, Prifddinas Cymru - Welcome to Cardiff, Capital of Wales.

    Cardiff is a city of surprises (SEE!! City of SURPRISES! ALiens & stuff) which is probably why it's fast becoming one of the UK's most popular visitor destinations. It's already well known for its sporting, artistic and maritime traditions, but we're delighted that more and more people are discovering everything else it's got to offer. (I.E. Giant demon things, classy bars etc....)

    Cardiff boasts all the attractions, cultural and leisure facilities that you would expect in a modern capital city - and it's all so easily accessible.

    In the centre of the city you'll find brilliant shopping just a stone's throw away from a fairytale castle, (be carefull, the fairies MAY kill you by stuffing petals down your gob) the famous Millennium Stadium and acres of lush parkland.

    Just a short walk or ride away is Cardiff Bay, where you can just while away a few hours over a meal on the waterfront, take in one of the many attractions or enjoy a show at the Wales Millennium Centre. The choice is yours. (Just make sure you mind your drink because members of Torchwood have been known to slip people a mickey from time to time.... people like us, who know too much!)

    As well as offering a whole host of things to see and do within the city, Cardiff makes a great base for visiting the rest of South East Wales. Good road links across the region mean that visitors can combine a stimulating city break with the rural scenery on Cardiff's doorstep.

    Those of us who live in Cardiff know how lucky we are and we love sharing our beautiful city with our visitors. Most people who have been here recently tell us the friendly locals have helped make their visit extra special. It's time to come and find out for yourself.

    Please use these pages to help you plan your trip. Staff at the Cardiff Visitor Centres will also be pleased to help you make the most of your stay."

    I think that makes it pretty clear... Everybody is Keen on Cardiff - no WONDER Torchwood is there!!!

    If Worzel Gummidge and the Third Doctor had a fist fight - who would win?
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     Sunday, January 14 2007 @ 12:23 PM EST
    Hear, hear Magpie
    As an exiled valley boy, I too would like to stick up for both Torchwood and the beautiful city of Caerdidd. For most of us in the UK, the media is very London-centric, and when they do realise that there is life beyond the M25, they usually go to Manchester. It's great to see Wales get some attention for once, although I'm not sure that the world is ready for the hightened reality of Blackwood, Tredegar or Merthyr Tydfill.
    Besides, London isn't slap-bang on top of a rift, is it?
    If any of the posters here get a chance to visit Cardiff, grab it with both hands. Also, if you get an opportunity to see a rugby international at the Millenium Stadium do so, it's one of the most intense experiences you can have legally. Big Grin

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     Tuesday, January 16 2007 @ 02:55 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  taff1a]Also, if you get an opportunity to see a rugby international at the Millenium Stadium do so, it's one of the most intense experiences you can have legally. Big Grin


    With the 6 Nations starting up in the next few weeks, I look forward to seeing those blow-up daffodils in the stands of the Millenium Stadium quite frequently! (though I'll be supporting Scotland, I'm expecting Wales to come away with another vicotry this year)

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