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     Tuesday, December 05 2006 @ 06:38 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Semiyon] By the way - I think the actress who played Detective Swanson also played Jabe in Series 1 "The End of the World".

    Yasmin Bannerman

    Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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     Tuesday, December 05 2006 @ 07:03 PM EST
    I watched it again last night and two things jumped out at me. I really liked the way the actress who played Susie physicalized the role Her movements had an awkwardness that suggested someone who'd been in a cooler for the past three months.

    One scene struck me as a bit odd (and let me apologize if this is a little weird). About 31 minutes into the episode, when the base loses power, Jack runs into Ianto. Ianto is holding a flashlight at his waist that is pointed straight ahead. When Jack appears, Ianto raises it up towards Jack in what seemed to me to be a rather suggestive manner. A bit of foreshadowing of the stopwatch remark later or maybe I need to get out more! It's just struck me as a bit odd but maybe it was the way the scene had to be blocked out.

    Nevertheless, despite some of the plot holes that have been discussed, I thought this episode held up well on its second viewing.

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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 08:01 AM EST
    I don't mind the internet problems. This wasn't a simple power failure, remember. This was all orchestrated by Suzie. Anything she wanted shut down was shut down. Ianto got around it - barely - by using his cel phone.

    I don't know who it was who posted that any cel phone and a little trickle of power gets you internet access, but it sure doesn't where I live or work.

    That was not the issue with last night's episode that bugged me.

    Great episode in general. I found it only slightly less enjoyable than the previous one which I found better, though the whole "Torchwood office as enemy" is a little annoying after a while. Shut it down, lock us in, bring in an enemy alien, etc...

    My problem was with yet another Torchwood agent breaking the rules and acting as if they can do whatever they want with absolutely no repurcussions. Who's running this place? No intelligence agency anywhere would have this kind of lackadaisical management. Somewhere, someone in a suit would be watching every move.

    In London that was Yvonne. Do you think people under her control would be able to get away with the crap Jack's crew gets away with? Once maybe. Never twice.

    But I liked the episode. Suzie's behavior was 100% predictable, including her wooing Gwen over to her side with kind words and cries for sympathy, and her eventual betrayal of Gwen. Those I could see coming from a few light-years away.

    However Suzie murdering her father, that was a surprise. And the sheer complexity of Suzie's scheme seemed to me to be infeasible. What, she KNEW the drug would turn someone into a serial killer, so she programmed him ahead of time to kill just so when she was dead they'd have to use the glove to bring her back? Uh... how did she know any of that would work? Even as a desperate last-chance effort to escape some possible death scenario that might come her way at some point... and all of the dominoes would have to fall in place exactly, including the fact that her body was just kept on ice. How did she know that three months later they would tie some random serial killer to her? How did she know that after a few killings they'd revive her? How did she know that she could even BE revived after 3 months on ice?

    No, that was too elaborate to make any sense.

    But you don't see ME complaining because the routers should still work. It was a good episode, and I'm not relying on my common sense to be completely satisfied.

    And I'm a bit upset that we have a local constabulary standing around taunting Torchwood. This doesn't appear to be the relationship Torchwood has with law enforcement anywhere. Don't forget we know Torchwood exists far into the future when a small crew of humans is orbiting a black hole, and it's still spoken of with a sense of awe and power. One detective and her crew standing around laughing at them just doesn't fit the character of the organization Davies has built up.

    I won't say this was the best episode of the season so far. I give that to the previous one. But it takes a nice second.

    I don't know what the stopwatch scene had to do with anything, so I'm not concentrating on that.

    Good episode. Near perfect. But just shy.

    That was Yasmin Bannerman??? Boy, she looks a lot hotter as a tree.

    Sean.

    One solid hope is worth a cartload of uncertainties.
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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 12:46 PM EST
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    [Quote  by:  Haaai!] Gwen is really pretty.


    Apart from the huge GAP in her teeth.


    I bet you'd never see an American actress with a gap - could become the tooth equivalent of a beauty spot Eek!

    Cheers, daveac


    I'm thinking its time for ya'll to brush up on your classical literature. According to Chaucer, in Canterbury Tales, a woman's level of eroticness, desirability, and even sexual skills was directly porportional to the space between her teeth (see Wife of Bath). Therefore, Gwen's rate quite high.

    Also, some Celtic folklore states that women with gaps in their teeth are more psychic and empathic than others.

    So, whether you like her gap or not (personally, I respect anyone who doesn't get theirs closed with "corrective" dentistry), she is the most sexually active female character on the show and she seems to have a bit more empathic skills than others (& that was evident in her stint on Doctor Who as Gwenyth as well). With that in mind - the gap fits!

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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 01:24 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  whodovoodoo]If you add more of the following I might even tune in next series:

    Tension.
    Character depth.
    Moral explorations.
    Subtle running plot lines.
    Witty repartee.
    Discrete lighting.
    Perfectly pitched CGI.
    Ianto.

    What I will tune out if I see again:

    Flat endings. Flat beginnings. Pointless scenes.
    Characters with all the depth of a size 0 glamour model.
    Moral exploitations.
    Running along to dance tracks when a simple bit of Murray Gold would do.
    Dialog about sex written by fifteen year olds.
    Overlit scenes.
    Overdone, underwhelming or unecessary CGI.
    Montages. Any.


    I was thinking thirteen rather than fifteen year olds but I think this is spot on about my feelings on Torchwood.

    Mike

    "There are some corners of the universe which have bred the most terrible things. Things which act against everything we believe in. They must be fought."
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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 06:43 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  mad4plaid]

    I'm thinking its time for ya'll to brush up on your classical literature. According to Chaucer, in Canterbury Tales, a woman's level of eroticness, desirability, and even sexual skills was directly porportional to the space between her teeth (see Wife of Bath). Therefore, Gwen's rate quite high.

    Also, some Celtic folklore states that women with gaps in their teeth are more psychic and empathic than others.


    You took the words right out of my mouth!Smile I'm glad I'm not the only one who knew those bits of folklore.

    Great episode, by the way. Seriously though, I don't consider myself naive but I can only think of one or two kinky uses for two men and a stopwatch... I guess I'll have to wait till the DVD commentary comes out and hope that they explain what they meant.

    If Worzel Gummidge and the Third Doctor had a fist fight - who would win?
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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 07:04 PM EST
    Oh yes! one last thing.

    What is wandering in the dark looking for Jack?

    1. The Face of Boe - who said it had to be something evil lurking?

    or

    2. The Ghost of the Master looking for an immortal body to snatch!!!!

    ...or, very likely, something else entirelySmile

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     Wednesday, December 06 2006 @ 09:35 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Magpie] What is wandering in the dark looking for Jack?
    Someone looking to, uhm, dance... Twisted Evil animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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     Thursday, December 07 2006 @ 05:00 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  Magpie]
    2. The Ghost of the Master looking for an immortal body to snatch!!!!



    Oo Oo Oo Oo Oo (she says jumping on chairs with excitement).

    SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


    Now THAT's a F**ing Fantastic theory Surprised! Surprised! Surprised! Surprised!

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     Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 01:49 PM EST
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    [Quote  by:  Semiyon] By the way - I think the actress who played Detective Swanson also played Jabe in Series 1 "The End of the World".

    Yasmin Bannerman


    I thought she looked awfully familiar... and I knew I saw her in Doctor Who... I just couldn't place her. Thanks for the resolution.

    Cheers,
    Louis

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     Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 01:53 PM EST
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    [Quote  by:  rocko]
    (2) What was that "There are lots of things you can do with a stopwatch" comment from Ianto all about?


    I have a sneaky feeling Jack is 'boffing' (I refuse to use the word 'shag' anymore) Ianto for S*!t's and giggles. Put your hand up if you think that 'casual sexual relationship' is going to come back and bite Jack on the behind (s'cuse the pun).
    I have a feeling Ianto may be Jack's idea of a little bit of after office-hours relaxation...

    Still - not up on my g.a.y references recently. So any other tongue in cheek (again, no pun intended) reference was entirely lost on me!


    I was completely thrown off by the whole stopwatch conversation at the end. I can think of plenty of fun and kinky things to do in bed, but none have ever included a stopwatch.

    Cheers,
    Louis

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     Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 02:02 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Abersoch] Strangely enough the homoerotic stuff is actually starting to get on my nerves now. I actually find myself thinking - does anyone in this organisation have an ordinary relationship that doesn't rely on euphemism and sexual ambiguity. I mean, don't get me wrong, I was waiting for the Jack/Ianto thing along with everyone else but it's cropped up so suddenly I feel like I've missed a couple of episodes and loads of stuff happened while I was away. I could have understood it if there had been more build up but it was only about 4 weeks ago that Ianto was screaming along the lines of "One day I hope someone hurts you really badly and I hope I'm there to see it!" and not long after they're eyeing each other up coyly and seeing which of them can complete the Times crossword in under 10 minutes (well, that must have been what they were suggesting.....surely).

    If this does turn out to be Ianto leading Jack on purely to hurt him then Jack will plummet in my estimations for not seeing it coming. If I met any lad who screamed he wanted to see me in severe pain some time in the future, I'd think very carefully before suggesting stopwatch shennanigans with him.


    Strangely enough for me, I am missing the whole homoerotic banter and/or relationship building up between Jack and Ianto. The stopwatch thing was completely lost even on me... I have only seen Ianto as a straight man from what we have seen of him... I guess he too can be "omni" or bi... but if that is the case, then yes, I feel like I missed a few episodes or something. I felt that way watching the end of the episode dialogue with the stopwatch.

    Cheers,
    Louis

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     Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 07:14 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  whodovoodoo]
    3) If the DOCTOR has lived his entire life without 'hearing' of the Torchwood Institute how the hell do the Met manage to keep 'bumping into them'.


    I've been giving this some thought as it's been brought up a lot in various forums. How about this?

    Doctor #10 had the encounter with Queen Victoria leading to the creation of Torchwood. What if that was actually an alteration to the timeline? I.E., it didn't happen in the Doctor's personal timeline until Doc #10, so that bit of history re-wrote itself without altering the Doctors perception of his past?

    Does that make any sense?

    Pat

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     Sunday, December 10 2006 @ 07:50 PM EST
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    3) If the DOCTOR has lived his entire life without 'hearing' of the Torchwood Institute how the hell do the Met manage to keep 'bumping into them'.


    I've been giving this some thought as it's been brought up a lot in various forums. How about this?

    Doctor #10 had the encounter with Queen Victoria leading to the creation of Torchwood. What if that was actually an alteration to the timeline? I.E., it didn't happen in the Doctor's personal timeline until Doc #10, so that bit of history re-wrote itself without altering the Doctors perception of his past?

    Does that make any sense?

    Pat


    It makes good sense, unfortunatly in DW they rarely address alternate timelines outside a single story line i.e. fathers day. So although I like the idea I doubt that it will be addressed in DW on TV. Also you have to think about the Pertwee/U.N.I.T. days, I guess until recently Torchwood was able to operate covertly and the Cardiff office (under Jack, for how ever many years Rolling Eyes ) is an abberation.

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     Tuesday, December 12 2006 @ 02:07 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  Louis]I was completely thrown off by the whole stopwatch conversation at the end. I can think of plenty of fun and kinky things to do in bed, but none have ever included a stopwatch


    Louis, think back to high/secondary school and picture two teenage males together...

    Add a stopwatch...

    Captain Jack: "I'll race you Ianto"
    Ianto: "I call this one 'Randy Handy'"
    Captain Jack: "Got that stopwatch of yours ready?"
    Ianto: "Sure do, let's see if we can beat your personal best of 47 seconds."
    Captain Jack: "Ready? Go!"

    The camera slowly pans out with Captain Jack and Ianto facing away from the camera, Captain Jack sitting on the right, his right hand moving, and Ianto sitting to his left, his left hand moving up and down...

    Big Grin

    Liyster.

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