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     Monday, February 18 2008 @ 06:47 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  ninjaman6] Dave,

    Can you send us the link to Freema's site? Thanks!


    My pleasure:-

    here

    Cheers, daveac

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     Monday, February 18 2008 @ 06:53 PM EST

    Second post -

    If you want to be Spoilered - and ONLY IF - look here AND there's more that one thing spoiled if you look (you have been warned):-

    here

    Cheers, daveac

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     Monday, February 18 2008 @ 07:06 PM EST
    Genuine spoilers notwithstanding, the point, to me, is that the BBC press office itself had up information about episode 8 on the day that episode 6 was broadcast, which totally relieved any sort of tension over whether Gorman's time in the Hub was over.

    "I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." JNT, 1986
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     Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 01:28 PM EST
    Well, I took Darth's link to the BBC website and decided it left a lot of room for interpretation.

    But, Dave -- your link I just couldn't click on: I've decided I like the anticipation better than the knowing! Besides - only two days left until I find out!

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     Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 05:04 PM EST
    I can not believe that they even if just temporarily if the discussion on the thread is right.

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     Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 08:40 PM EST
    [Quote  by:  Magpie] I can accept a giant monster whose shadow kills everything it touches and a pterodactyl fighting a cyberlady - but Burn Goreman is 34 and doesn't look a day younger than that. I forgive a lot of silliness on the part of torchwood, but come ON. 27???? Even that girl victim (her age mentioned as 27) had a face like an old leather boot.

    You'd think a series as "edgy" as Torchwood wouldn't be afraid of having characters actually in their 30's - shock horror. That's right folks, if you aren't a doctor in a secret government agency by age 27 you're all washed up!


    I'll give you that Burn does not look like he's 27. However, in "To the Last Man," Gwen and Ianto have a discussion something along the lines of the fact that Torchwood 1918 is very young, and that people in Torchwood are generally always young because they don't get a chance to grow old, something that Owen's death seems to verify.

    I'm willing to bet that Torchwood has some sort of monitoring program and recruited Owen as soon as he was finished school, just like UNIT did with Martha (with a little help from the Doctor). Even so, and I don't know how long schooling takes in the UK, by North American standards he would have barely been at Torchwood a few months before Gwen joined.

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     Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Not being from the UK either I'm not sure, but the education system here in Australia is a bit more similar to the UK than the US system.

    A Levels, which are optional, you sit them when you are in final year of highschool (around 17 - 18 year old depending on your birthday, I was 17 when I got the Australian version on them because my birthday's December)

    So if you start medical school straight away... just judging from Martha, she was 23 and I believe in her final year at med school, being that the final year or two is spent training at hospital, which was what she was doing.

    Owen mentioned once that he was a normal doctor before joining Torchwood, that could've only been for a year or two straight after finishing med school, so being at Torchwood for 2-3 years at the age of 27 isn't that far of a stretch.

    I don't have a problem with the whole age thing, some people are just lucky (especially in TV) managing to have successful and fast moving careers

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     Tuesday, February 19 2008 @ 11:04 PM EST
    Ya, the whole "time to get qualified as a Doctor" thing is a little problematic. If you're just going for a standard, gonna-practice-medicine-on-real-people degree, it's between 4-6 years. I've a friend who started in England at 17 and is a practicing doctor at 23. She's got the equivalent of a North American M.D, but it's technically a BS degree in surgery.

    But see if you're really talking about a degree that's actually called "M.D." from one of the "flaship" English schools, you're talking 10 years minimum. A true M.D. from, say, Oxford is about the combination of serious research and practical "doctorin'". You can't even get in an MD program until you've been practicing for about 7 years. If Owen's really an MD, 27 would seem a trifle young. And frankly, I'd think Torchwood would want to benefit from the expertise of a full-on MD.

    His admission that Prof. Copley's research was helpful to the formulation of his MD thesis mostly, but doesn't entirely, imply that Owen went this longer route.

    "I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." JNT, 1986
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     Wednesday, February 20 2008 @ 07:37 PM EST
    Of course, Owen could have been a Doogie Howser and qualified at 12 b/c he's a genius. That could explain the ego thing.

    K. going to catch a redeye right now and see what really happened!

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     Wednesday, February 20 2008 @ 09:39 PM EST
    I've watched the episode 3 times now, once on its own and twice in the background while I did other stuff, and I am always, always surprised when it ends. It easily feels like half the normal running time to me; the last time an episode felt like that it was Blink. Even my favourite episode from last series, "Captain Jack Harkness," had me watching the clock. Can I just say again how much I admire the team for stepping up to the bat and majorly upping their game this series?

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     Friday, February 22 2008 @ 12:04 AM EST
    [Quote  by:  Magpie] I can accept a giant monster whose shadow kills everything it touches and a pterodactyl fighting a cyberlady - but Burn Goreman is 34 and doesn't look a day younger than that. I forgive a lot of silliness on the part of torchwood, but come ON. 27???? Even that girl victim (her age mentioned as 27) had a face like an old leather boot.

    You'd think a series as "edgy" as Torchwood wouldn't be afraid of having characters actually in their 30's - shock horror. That's right folks, if you aren't a doctor in a secret government agency by age 27 you're all washed up!

    (... ok I admit it. I just turned 29.... feeling a bit age sensitive.... oh yeah and there's my whole unemployment thing... uhmm take this post with a grain of salt, people, I have "issues"... Wink )


    I too raised an eyebrow when they mentioned 27 as his age. I am glad it wasn't just me. I always thought of him in his mid-30s.

    Though it wouldn't be the first time a character was revealed to be younger than I thought.

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     Friday, February 22 2008 @ 05:29 AM EST


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     Tuesday, February 26 2008 @ 03:18 PM EST
    I really enjoyed this episode as well, although it did bore me for a few minutes when they started up the sequence where Martha has to go undercover. Nice tech with the contacts and all, but I guess I just wanted the story to get on with it.

    I certainly don't mind all the hints to Doctor Who in Torchwood, and yet even with Martha Jones on board for a few episodes, it seems like they're trying to avoid connecting the two shows. They refer to the Doctor as "him" and such... I don't know why they'd do that. From the Who side? Yes. From the Torchwood side? It makes no sense.

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     Tuesday, February 26 2008 @ 10:47 PM EST
    I know a few people who've watched Torchwood before Who, or prefer it. I don't know how, but different strokes, etc. So, although they may know about the Doctor, they might not know about the events of 3x11-3x13.

    I have a few, slightly more sane reasons, and they're because of the setting. Jack and Martha obviously see their time with the Doctor as very special. The last time they saw each other, the world was ending. While they're clearly relieved to see someone who knows about it, I'm not sure one would be running out of the gates with "Remember that time I was tortured for a year?" "Ah yes, good times! Did I ever tell you the one about Japan being destroyed?"

    Another reason is outside the story. I like the mystery they've set up with Jack's team not knowing anything about him. I like that we know more than they do. I like that they don't know who the Doctor is. Jack and Martha not talking about him in Torchwood is a way to maintain some of the team's curiosity.

    Finally, and I think the most likely reason, is Martha. I think she deliberately stops talking about the Doctor. When Jack and Martha are discussing her being in UNIT, it's implied that he gave her a recommendation. Jack says, "He must have thought he owed you a favour," and this look comes over Martha's face, like she doesn't like that possibility at all and is disappointed Jack would say it. Jack continues on, "I guess we all do," and completely misses the boat on Martha's reaction. I'm curious how/if they develop this in the next episode and/or s4. It can go so many different ways: Martha not really being over the Doctor, regretting leaving, a favour being the only reason he would recommend her . . . It's a very interesting moment.

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