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JeffL
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Nice to see that the BBC 2/Entertain will be releasing "Destiny of the Daleks" as an R-2 DVD in November. Hopefully it will be an R-1 release by the Summer of 2008.
I rarely like any of the Davros stories but for some reason, I liked this one, despite there being a different Davros actor. I always wished the Movellans had made a reappearance. Although didn't one of them get killed in the opening scene of "Resurrection of the Daleks?" |
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Justice
Registered: 02/14/07
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| Saturday, September 22 2007 @ 12:23 AM EDT |
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isn't this the secound actor to play davros?
the one the mask didn't fit him? |
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DarthSkeptical
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| Saturday, March 01 2008 @ 09:04 PM EST |
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| [Quote by: JeffL] I always wished the Movellans had made a reappearance. Although didn't one of them get killed in the opening scene of "Resurrection of the Daleks?" |
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There aren't any Movellans in "Resurrection". There is, however, the "Movellan virus", a WMD that attacked Dalek flesh and allowed the Movellans to win the war depicted in "Destiny". At the end of the episode, Davros' flesh is seemingly infected by the virus. Hence, by "Revelation of the Daleks, it's plausible for the Doctor and we viewers alike to believe that Davros is just a disembodied head. However, in "Revelation" that head is said to be a decoy, and a "traditional", chair-bound Davros also appears. So "Revelation" throws the end of "Resurrection" into doubt. Was Davros actually infected by the Movellan virus? Which was the "real" Davros? It's more than a bit unclear to the viewer, although the "full-size" Davros seems certain he's the real one and the head was just a decoy.
The presence of any form of a living Davros, though, muddies the "Resurrection"-inspired notion of the Movellan virus as a "Dalek killer". Big Finish thus stepped into the gap with their audio, "Davros", to at least give a plausible explanation for the recovery of Davros after "Resurrection" (although it doesn't really answer the "Revelation" question, "Will the real Davros please stand up?"
"Remembrance" isn't in my personal canon, so I couldn't possibly comment on it. Except to say that the civil war depicted therein would've made a great deal more sense had the Movellans been brought up again. Disagreement over how to proceed against the Movellans would've been useful as a motivator for the civil war. And if the Movellans were also looking for the Hand of Omega, that might've added some interesting action scenes. Or at least a dramatic cliffhanger, where the Doctor is caught between the Movellans and two Dalek armies, As it stands, it's unclear why any Dalek would've been loyal to Davros at that point, given his recurring record of defeat and racial desecration. (Plus, a civil war between Daleks really requires that the Daleks be painted clearly different colors; the movie-Dalek-blue and movie-Dalek-red would have really helped the thing to read a hell of a lot better.) |
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JeffL
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| Saturday, March 08 2008 @ 12:34 PM EST |
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I did watch my copy of the new DVD with the CGI on. That does add a little bit to the classic stories. Some people may think me blasphemous for that though.
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Joshua Lou
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| Saturday, March 08 2008 @ 03:47 PM EST |
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I thought it was fine as well... so long as they give fans the OPTION as to which version to see, I'm cool with enhancing Who's FX.
In fact, in advertisements for the UK release, I could have sworn I had seen Davros himself given the CGI makeover. Sadly, this wasn't the case when I screened the "enhanced" DVD version... although I did enjoy what they DID upgrade (Movellan ship descending, laser streams, etc).
I have been aware of the other episodes to get a CGI makeover ("Ark in Space", "Five Doctors", "Curse of Fenric")... HOWEVER, that Davros clip (along with a clip on the "The Web Planet" DVD's behind the scenes which shows the Animus creature firing off a CGI-enhanced laser stream from its nose) leads me to believe there's more CGI enhanced work for Doctor Who out there.
Can anyone provide (or point me in the right direction to) a MASTER LIST of all CGI enhancements (full episodes and/or specific scenes) EVER used in Doctor Who?! I'm curious if I've missed some...
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Semiyon
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| Sunday, March 09 2008 @ 06:49 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Joshua Lou]
I could have sworn I had seen Davros himself given the CGI makeover. |
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There was a CGI Davros used for the "Davros Connections" extra in the Davros box-set. You may have seen something from that - I think it was released around the same time as Destiny.
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Joshua Lou
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| Sunday, March 09 2008 @ 08:41 AM EDT |
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I was previously upset that the Davros box-set was released only in the UK on Region 2 (mainly because it included all of Big Finish's Davros CD's)... now that I know where that clip comes from, I'm quickly beginning to realize how badly I need a region-free player.
Thanks for the tip, Semi... |
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shockeye07
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| Sunday, March 09 2008 @ 04:23 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: Joshua Lou]
I thought it was fine as well... so long as they give fans the OPTION as to which version to see, I'm cool with enhancing Who's FX.
In fact, in advertisements for the UK release, I could have sworn I had seen Davros himself given the CGI makeover. Sadly, this wasn't the case when I screened the "enhanced" DVD version... although I did enjoy what they DID upgrade (Movellan ship descending, laser streams, etc).
I have been aware of the other episodes to get a CGI makeover ("Ark in Space", "Five Doctors", "Curse of Fenric")... HOWEVER, that Davros clip (along with a clip on the "The Web Planet" DVD's behind the scenes which shows the Animus creature firing off a CGI-enhanced laser stream from its nose) leads me to believe there's more CGI enhanced work for Doctor Who out there.
Can anyone provide (or point me in the right direction to) a MASTER LIST of all CGI enhancements (full episodes and/or specific scenes) EVER used in Doctor Who?! I'm curious if I've missed some...
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This is'nt a master list but from memory the only other DVD's with optional CGI effects I can remember are:
The Dalek Invasion of Earth
The Daleks flying saucers are replaced by more convincing, but 60's style flying saucers & (I think) a couple of the shots of London are replaced.
The Time Warrior
Some laser shots & other effects are replaced but best of all when the castle explodes at the end, the orginal stock footage of a quarry exploding, which looks really poor, is replaced by a really good CGI of the castle exploding. It is a great improvment.
Revelation Of The Daleks
Can't remember but I think again the laser & gun fights are replaced with CGI.
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Joshua Lou
Registered: 02/21/08
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| Sunday, March 09 2008 @ 04:42 PM EDT |
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Cool... I'll check out my Dalek DVDs for those new FX I missed the first time. Looking forward to "The Time Warrior" (we've got about a month to go before it's released in the US)... those enhancements sound awesome!
Thanks!
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Louis
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| Sunday, March 09 2008 @ 05:14 PM EDT |
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Housekeeping:
Since there were two threads of the same name and topic, I have locked the other thread of Destiny of the Daleks and the dialogue there in that thread can continue in this thread.
Cheers,
Louis
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shockeye07
Registered: 02/14/07
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| Monday, March 10 2008 @ 07:41 AM EDT |
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| I've just realised that the "Arc of Infinty" DVD has optional CGI effects. Again I have'nt watched it in a while but as I remember it is things like laser shots & some explosions that are replaced. |
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Mohan
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| Monday, April 07 2008 @ 05:56 AM EDT |
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Just finished watching Destiny of the Daleks and I had forgotten the Lalla Ward scene in the beginning in which she's trying on regenerations like she's trying on clothes. That's a really funny scene.
I was also impressed to see the Prime computers TV ads and I didn't even they know that they had existed. That was a nice special feature to put on the disc--especially the one in which a Prime suggests that Tom Baker ask Lalla Ward to marry him. I wonder if they were already married at this point in time or not.
All in all a great DVD to watch as I hadn't seen Destiny of the Daleks in over 20 years. |
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