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Louis
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[Quote by: tarashnat]
"So you're my replacements — a dandy and a clown!"
The First Doctor to the Second and Third, The Three Doctors
"I am the Doctor! The original, you might say!"
The First Doctor meets the Fifth Doctor's companions, The Five Doctors
Then again, this has as much and as little weight as the "half-human" and various "alien" claims throughout the classic run...
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Yeah... I think it is well established that Hartnell was playing the first -- original incarnation of the Doctor. Even the two stories sited above, where the Doctor's past selves encountered each other, it never went back further than Hartnell's Doctor.
I never subscribed to the whole "half human" thing... and from what we have seen of the new series, neither does RTD thankfully.
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That Neil Guy
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| Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 07:45 PM EST |
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This reminds me of something I was just thinking about today, relating to the Doctor's age.
Troughton says he's 450 in Tomb of the Cybermen and I seem to recall Tom Baker saying he's 750 at one point, and now conventional wisdom is that the Doctoris 900 and something, (Sorry I don't know all the specifics right off hand.)
Now, taking this all literally (instead of, of course, that it was just something that sort of evolved as the show went on), it seems that there's a great deal of room for some unseen adventures of previous incarnations. Perhaps that hypothetical period of Troughton travelling alone (or with Jamie) right after he gets exiled but before he gets dropped off on earth as Pertwee lasted a couple of hundred years? No other regenerations, obviously, but maybe some of those regenerations we know and love lasted even longer than we thought from the recorded tv adventures... |
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Louis
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| Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 08:43 PM EST |
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I had always assumed that the time between regenerations were much longer than what we see on screen...
But Neil makes a very interesting point concerning the time when Troughton's Doctor mentions his age to the time when Tom Baker's Doctor mentions his age... We can not assume all that many years are between stories that are unseen (off-screen)... because of the companions he keeps within this time period... He is with Jamie in Tomb of the Cyberman and Jamie stays with him until right before he regenerates into Jon Pertwee... Jon Pertwee's Doctor is on Earth coinciding with the Brigadier and UNIT, and eventually meets Sarah Jane Smith and regenerates into Tom Baker when he mentions his age as 750 to Sarah Jane... Since Jamie, the Brigadier, and Sarah Jane are all humans aging normally during their associations with the Doctor, there's no way that 300 years could have passed between the time when the Doctor mentions his age to be 450 and then again when he states it is 750...
I am sure it is probably in the Discontinuity Guide... but I still haven't picked up that book.
Good call, Neil.
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That Neil Guy
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| Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 08:56 PM EST |
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I think I remember reading somewhere that the Time Lords could have sent Troughton off to do some work for them right after the trial but before he was sent to earth. Perhaps this was what he was doing when he got pulled in for the Three Doctors. And who's to say how long he might have been out there wandering?
Just like we have to suppose that Eccleston somewhere found time to go to the Titanic and Krakatoa or whatever all that was mentioned in Rose, and since he seems to have only recently regenerated when he looks in the mirror in Rose's place, he probably didn't do all that right before he met Rose. But maybe he did. or maybe when he jumped into the Tardis at the end and disappeared, he was gone for months (his time) before he reappeared to say Did I mention it travels in time?
So maybe Pertwee or Baker took off for long periods that to us only seemed like seconds.
Anyway, it's fun to think about, despite knowing that there's no way to make logical sense out of a bunch of things that were never necessarily meant to fit together. After all, it's only a TV show. |
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Radar
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| Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 09:19 PM EST |
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| To just add another point (despite the fact I'm a little late) to the evidence for the conventional regeneration theory - In 'Mawdryn Undead', the Fifth Doctor states that he is his fifth regeneration - because that's the essential problem of the serial, that he only has 8 regenerations left. I wouldn't be able to quote it without pulling out my VHS recording, but yes. |
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tarashnat
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| Tuesday, March 07 2006 @ 09:45 PM EST |
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The Doctor, Rose, and Jack were in Kyoto between Boomtown and Bad Wolf.
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DarthSkeptical
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| Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:27 PM EST |
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Actually, that "Brain of Morbius" stuff is on very shaky ground these days for a number of reasons, not least because of McGann's voice over in the TVM. We know McGann is absolutely the 8th Doctor. Could it be said that Eccles isn't the Ninth, though? I think it can, at least insofar as filmed references are concerned. At the moment, all we're absolutely sure of is that Tennant followed Eccles, and that they both are connected to the chain of 1-8. That is, the trailer we've seen of Season 2 gives us information enough to infer that this is definitively the same Doctor of the classic series. There is, though, still room to believe that someone came between McGann and Eccles--at least on the basis of the filmed evidence. In strict point of fact, too, the Richard E. Grant Doctor from "The Scream of Shalka" hasn't been explicitly written out of his initially-announced position as number 9. It's only BBC publicity that's making the call at this point. I rather expect, though, that there might be a throwaway line in the Sarah Jane episode of series 2 that might well close the door on future "surprises". Certainly, RTD will have fewer better opportunities than that episode for the "number' question to be asked and answered on screen.
Personally, though, I hope he doesn't take it. The longer he goes without having the Doctor say, "This is my tenth form", the longer we have the possibility of getting backstory on the Time War without having to depend on the services of Ecclestone or McGann. I see the lack of an onscreen comment as RTD's "hold card" on the off chance that he wants to do what's, oddly, never been done in DOCTOR WHO--a time travel story in the Doctor's own timeline (unless ya count 1 minute of "Father's Day"). |
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DarthSkeptical
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| Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:28 PM EST |
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[Quote by: Louis]
I never subscribed to the whole "half human" thing... and from what we have seen of the new series, neither does RTD thankfully.
Cheers,
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| Does McGann himself actually say he's half-human in the TVM? I thought it was just the Master surmising that he was half-human from the reaction of the TARDIS to humans. Another interpretation of the same evidence is that the TARDIS has a link to humans, perhaps as a security measure. When I saw "Parting of the Ways", I thought it was RTD's affirmative nod to the TVM, actually, helping to give us a reason why the Doctor would almost always choose to travel with, and protect, humans.
I don't think that McGann himself says he's half human, and he certainly refers to humans in a way that makes you think he's not human. Grace, too, examines his blood and says, "that's not blood". An MD of her supposed caliber would at least note that it sort of looks like blood, were he really a hybrid. |
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Louis
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| Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 07:32 PM EST |
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The Doctor himself says it, "I am half human on my mother's side" something along those lines in TVM. But I tend to regard this as a way of the Doctor trying to disarm or confuse the attendee who interrupted his and Grace's conversation at the unveiling of the new atomic clock on New Year's...
When Rose asks if he is alien, the Doctor replies affirmatively and definitely, Yes. I believe this may have been in the first episode of 2005, Rose.
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DarthSkeptical
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| Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 08:05 PM EST |
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| Ahhh, yes. You're quite right. I'd forgotten about that. |
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seanhuxter
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| Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 10:19 PM EST |
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Yeah, well I'm not so sure of anything the Doctor says in the TVM. After all, he has just regenerated, woken up in a morgue, and as is traditional, not quite himself during his regeneration phase, which lasts a variable length of time.
I also attribute the kiss to the same post-regenerative dimentia.
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Jadeth
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| Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 10:21 PM EST |
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| he is alien. he is also half human. It's the way the Tardis likes him so much. if you remember what happened in the movie. |
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tarashnat
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| Monday, March 13 2006 @ 12:11 AM EST |
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[Quote by: seanhuxter]
I also attribute the kiss to the same post-regenerative dimentia.
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Is that where he has trouble with dimensions? 
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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