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LanaiaD
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The RTD Fat agenda is really bothersome to me as well. I wish I had submitted a question about this to him.
Dear Faithful Showrunner... As someone of ample size yourself, how come you are always making them fall victims to invasion of their bodies by aliens? Do you hate fat people? |
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Dr. Hoo
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| Thursday, April 03 2008 @ 08:32 AM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Fairport] Not a good sign! That girl just got taken out by some frosted mini-wheats. |
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LMAO!!! HAHAHA!! I was going to go the "Lucky Charms" route, but you nailed it Fairport!
Dear God please tell me this won't be as bad as it's appearing right now! Deep breaths and keep telling ourselves... context....context....context...
(Maybe it will redeem in the plotline somehow?)
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tarashnat
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| Thursday, April 03 2008 @ 12:05 PM EDT |
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Plus sized actors are being given roles on television programs and all we can do is complain. We haven't even seen the context of this scene in the episode yet and we are complaining, just like the Titanic survivor... |
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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LanaiaD
Registered: 06/24/07
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| Thursday, April 03 2008 @ 01:39 PM EDT |
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| I have to respectfully disagree. That's true they are given jobs (and that's great)but why are they ultimately hired as a punchline or for comic effect. If they were being so generous they could just hire some plus size people as characters and not have their bodies invaded by aliens, the subject of fart jokes, etc as they have done in the past. I hope this season doesn't do that but the clip from the season opener, which is being taken outside of context until we see the whole episode, does seem to be pointing that way again. |
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Thursday, April 03 2008 @ 10:16 PM EDT |
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| Um, guys: Catherine Tate ain't exactly svelte. She's definitely more likely to shop at Lane Bryant than The Gap, and she must easily be the most "ample" (realistic? mature? physically unfit?) companion to ever travel with the Doctor. Hardly fair play to highlight the villains while ignoring the obvious standard-bearer for "not-so-slim" the show's ever had. (I'll lay odds that the woman's got a worse BMI than Colin did in his first season, even.) |
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LanaiaD
Registered: 06/24/07
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 07:57 AM EDT |
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That is a valid argument and I thought about that too when she was cast although what came to mind first is that she was much older than the main companions in the new series, which was nice.
The problem I see with RTD is his attitude to I guess what can only be termed clinically obese people.
I feel RTD is sending a message to kids that it is okay to make fun of fat people. They are there for your entertainment.
It's like during the finale last year there was this undertone of old people don't have value in making the Doctor old and helpless.
Its just my two cents and I think this will have to be a diplomatic we agree to disagree. |
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tarashnat
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 10:15 AM EDT |
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Now. if you take a look at all of RTD's scripts, I would say that this argument holds no merit. Average and skinny people are victims of alien attack as much, if not more often than plus sized people. We've even had a villain who was anorexic to the extreme! Have we gotten to be so PC that one can not say anything about anyone any more? And the character of the Duke of Manhattan was not portrayed poorly, actually, he was a very sympathetic character, and his aid was the "*censored*". |
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LanaiaD
Registered: 06/24/07
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 11:21 AM EDT |
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| I'm sorry but I do believe there is bias there. I enjoy listening to people's points but my opinion hasn't changed and I know others feel this way as well. That is why I said earlier I'm going to just have to agree to disagree. |
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Dr. Hoo
Registered: 01/11/06
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 12:37 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: tarashnat]
Now. if you take a look at all of RTD's scripts, I would say that this argument holds no merit. Average and skinny people are victims of alien attack as much, if not more often than plus sized people. We've even had a villain who was anorexic to the extreme! Have we gotten to be so PC that one can not say anything about anyone any more? And the character of the Duke of Manhattan was not portrayed poorly, actually, he was a very sympathetic character, and his aid was the "*censored*". |
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I think Taras brings up a good point. I think those of you that say that RTD has an "agenda" against plus sized people aren't considering the possibility that the script calls for a character named 'Jane' who is a friend of Donna. Jane is a successful xxxx who is single and very career driven. (I'm making all this up for the sake of argument). No where in the description does it say Jane is 'plus sized' but the actress who has the best chemistry with Catherine Tate and does the best read happens to be. So at that point is it fair to cast all the blame on the writer (in this case RTD)?
The Slitheen I'll give you because it was mentioned why they were all bigger in size...
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Magpie
Registered: 06/29/06
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 12:53 PM EDT |
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I thought the "FAT agenda" was a joke but I can see from some of the responses that it's not. 
I would have to say that I reckon Doctor Who has some of the most diverse casting of any show currently in production that I can think of.
Maybe Russell T Davies will have a multicultural interfaith May-December extra-planetary Differentially-abled same-sex plus-sized couple with dietary restrictions save the universe in series 4. You never know - it could happen!
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merlin_mccarley
Registered: 07/30/06
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| Friday, April 04 2008 @ 01:27 PM EDT |
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Context for episode 1 "Partners in Crime" can be found in this picture. Contains spoilers, you have been warned.
Jigsaw Solved
Cheers,
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mad4plaid
Registered: 02/02/06
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| Sunday, April 06 2008 @ 06:58 PM EDT |
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| [Quote by: DarthSkeptical] Um, guys: Catherine Tate ain't exactly svelte. She's definitely more likely to shop at Lane Bryant than The Gap, and she must easily be the most "ample" (realistic? mature? physically unfit?) companion to ever travel with the Doctor. Hardly fair play to highlight the villains while ignoring the obvious standard-bearer for "not-so-slim" the show's ever had. (I'll lay odds that the woman's got a worse BMI than Colin did in his first season, even.) |
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Actually, she's more of a "normal human size," so the equivalent of a 12 here in the US, which makes her too small for Lane Bryant, but since she has CURVES (the chick's got hips!), she won't be able to wear Gap clothes either (since they seem to be designed for women shaped like pre-pubescent boys).
totally besides the point, however. How did the crazy April Fool's video get turned into a body image thing? We've all see episode 1 now, and lets notice that Donna kept bringing up how skinny the Doctor is in a take the piss way. So, she'll give as good as she gets.
Back to April Fools.... I was very much "What the Frack!?!?!" as I watched it, until that STOOOOOPID video of Billie came on. Then I just started laughing at the absurdity of it all. |
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Doctor Whoovie
Registered: 04/26/06
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| Sunday, April 06 2008 @ 07:54 PM EDT |
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We should be careful here, I don't think RTD is out to mock the overweight. I am pretty much in that class myself.
Annette Badland (Margaret Slytheen) is a fantastic actress, I am sure she was cast because she was good, not that she fits the dimensions required. The use of large actors for Slytheen in general does seem justified by the fact large monsters are inside (although perhaps one could just turn up the compression field and get inside Kate Moss)
Likewise, Peter Kay was cast because a) he asked b) He is an incredibly popular British comic who would help get ratings outside . His part was comic because of who he was.
As for Foon and Morvin in VOTD. I took offence not from them being heavy, but that the script makes them out to be the "British stereo-typical view" of overweight American tourists (I know they weren't American technically) i.e., somebody that is typically mocked by the British. Then they were contrasted with the rest of the ship's inhabitants whom are almost to the man stiff upper lip English types (with some Antipodean serving staff).
Many of the actor being used in the Adipose attacks were not clinically obese. e.g. the guy with the cat flap he had lost 14 kilos (i.e. ~30lbs so he couldn't have been that huge even at the outset of treatment.
Then there was Cassandra she seemed to be mocked for being skinny!! 
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