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JeffL
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One of my favorite Tom Baker stories is "Warrior's Gate." I think the overall story is fascinating: the mirror between N-space and E-space, the Tharils, the feast between the universes where one room is alive and festive while the same room on the other side is crumbling and dead. The out-of-phase visit by the Tharil into the TARDIS...the way the image sort of echoes as they walk along.
I like the concept of the shrinking space between the TARDIS and the slave ship. I like the irony between the old Tharils, who were the masters but in the new world they are the slaves. Plus we see the departure of Romana and K-9.
Just a great experience to watch and a story I wish would come out on DVD soon. |
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 10:19 PM EST |
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Eh, I'm a li'l wary of this. Let's not get crazy with the JNT era just yet. We've got a lot of great early Baker stuff yet to do. Still, when they get around to this, I hope they release the whole of the N-Space trilogy as a set, because there's a little too much connection there to just pull out one of them, and especially the last one, without giving us the rest. I'm not sure it's especially clear what N-Space is without going through Full Circle first. It would be a bit like only having released The Armageddon Factor, instead of having given us the whole of the KTT.
This is one of those shows I remember having really made me trip out as a kid, for the reasons you gave--but which really doesn't matter so much to me now, having seen it as an adult.
And, if memory serves, wasn't this one of the last stories to make it to VHS? Wouldn't that make its release on DVD less "pressing" to the Restoration Team? |
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"I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." — JNT, 1986
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tarashnat
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| Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 11:25 PM EST |
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This story was released as part of the E-Space Trilogy, and that was way before the End of the Universe Collection.
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Daleks don't accept apologies! YOU WILL BE EXTERMINATED!
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DarthSkeptical
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| Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 11:29 PM EST |
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E-Space! Heh, of course. Clearly I need to watch it again....
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"I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." — JNT, 1986
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James Brown 1977
Registered: 02/22/06
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| Monday, March 20 2006 @ 08:48 AM EST |
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A good story Season 18 is a class season apart from Meglos if a little hard to follow a bit like Ghostlight in that reguard  |
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Dr Who is back baby Yeah !!!
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Linquel
Registered: 03/22/06
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| Wednesday, March 22 2006 @ 06:04 PM EST |
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| I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish Gallifrey series yet. Has there been any explanation as to Romana returning from e-space since she's President of the Time Lords in the Big Finish stories? |
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I'm going "Full Circle" and putting my avatar back to what it was when I first joined. :)
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atomic99
Registered: 03/02/06
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| Thursday, March 23 2006 @ 12:38 AM EST |
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| [Quote by: Linquel] I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish Gallifrey series yet. Has there been any explanation as to Romana returning from e-space since she's President of the Time Lords in the Big Finish stories? |
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I wondered the same since I picked up Big Finish's GALLIFREY. How did she become President? So I did a search on Wikipedia and I guess it was in the books. Can anyone confirm that? |
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bigorangemichael
Registered: 11/15/05
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| Thursday, August 24 2006 @ 03:35 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: JeffL] One of my favorite Tom Baker stories is "Warrior's Gate." I think the overall story is fascinating: the mirror between N-space and E-space, the Tharils, the feast between the universes where one room is alive and festive while the same room on the other side is crumbling and dead. The out-of-phase visit by the Tharil into the TARDIS...the way the image sort of echoes as they walk along.
I like the concept of the shrinking space between the TARDIS and the slave ship. I like the irony between the old Tharils, who were the masters but in the new world they are the slaves. Plus we see the departure of Romana and K-9.
Just a great experience to watch and a story I wish would come out on DVD soon. |
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It's rumored that the next box set after the Return of the Master set may be the E-Space trilogy.
I'd be all for that... |
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BadWolf
Registered: 03/25/06
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| Thursday, August 24 2006 @ 06:10 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: atomic99] | [Quote by: Linquel] I haven't listened to any of the Big Finish Gallifrey series yet. Has there been any explanation as to Romana returning from e-space since she's President of the Time Lords in the Big Finish stories? |
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I wondered the same since I picked up Big Finish's GALLIFREY. How did she become President? So I did a search on Wikipedia and I guess it was in the books. Can anyone confirm that? |
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Part of the story of her return is covered in one of the BF Colin Baker stories The Apocolypse Element. It appears she was held by the Daleks for many years. |
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Forget the shooty dog thing!
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JeffL
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Sunday, February 22 2009 @ 10:53 PM EST |
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| It looks like I finally got my wish. I see that the E-Space Trilogy will be available as a R1 release the first week in May. I am looking forward to that one. |
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sgb1975
Registered: 06/19/06
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| Monday, February 23 2009 @ 10:28 AM EST |
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| This is an odd story for me. I know a lot of people have given it high marks, but every time I watch it there's something missing for me, and I just don't get what it is. I've tried several times watching this, and I've forced myself to make through all 4 episodes, but at the end I'm left trying to guess what the greatness is. It's kind of like one of those classic movies that everybody loves, and you know it's more or less a great work of cinematic art, but no matter how you look at it, you just don't care for it. |
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T Baker(notTom)
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| Monday, February 23 2009 @ 01:00 PM EST |
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| [Quote by: sgb1975] This is an odd story for me. I know a lot of people have given it high marks, but every time I watch it there's something missing for me, and I just don't get what it is. I've tried several times watching this, and I've forced myself to make through all 4 episodes, but at the end I'm left trying to guess what the greatness is. It's kind of like one of those classic movies that everybody loves, and you know it's more or less a great work of cinematic art, but no matter how you look at it, you just don't care for it. |
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I quite agree.
To me, this is a story that's just there, it just sits there and doesn't do anything for me. It wasn't bad, but I don't think it's as great as everybody else thinks.
I much preferred "The Leisure Hive" and "The Keeper of Traken" from that season. |
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"Make your last move, Doctor. Make your LAST move."
The Celestial Toymaker to the Doctor in "The Celestial Toymaker: The Final Test"
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Chase
Registered: 03/25/08
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| Monday, February 23 2009 @ 06:55 PM EST |
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| For me it was the idea that the universes were like a giant graph with negative and positive coordinates and that people could move around inside of it. And of course it gave Adric some good bits. |
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