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     Thursday, April 24 2008 @ 01:36 PM EDT
    One thing that's bugged me recently is...since I've always loved Batman and Robin from when I was 7 years old or younger, is why, now, the leaning away from Robin? I know FAMILY GUY teased Robin in an episode as the hero they send when everyone is out doing the really important stuff but...truth is Robin is probably a cash cow.

    Recently the only truly good DC comics are the ones with Robin and Nightwing either solo or with others. At least the stories they are in have plot, characterization and less gimmicks than the others. I can also easily be a Jason Todd fan if I really knew what was going on with him: is he alive? Dead? Really dead this time? Did he die again? Not sure and at this point, not sure I care.

    The answer probably lies in the questions the creators of any Robin show would have to answer and they would have to get it right the first time or...the show might tank. Unlike Doctor Who, which tends to play thing both safe and unsafe, for example, playing things both ways...Doctor is in love but he really isn't; Doctor is God like but he's really vulnerable...any show about Robin would have to hit the ground answering a lot of questions right away.

    For one: what age would Robin be? The original Robin debuted at age 6 and was trained for two years, thus started his Robin career at age 8!!!!

    The question would be would the Robin they depicted be Robin from the beginning, a Robin later on in his years (say 13 or 14?) or a Robin from an alternate universe. All of these have inherent problems for audiences.

    So age would come into it and then where in Robin's life would the show start? Shows like this tend to age youthful heroes to their VERY LATE teens or even 20s...which defeats the purpose of having a show like this. As much as I like Chris O'Donnell, he was NOT believable as Robin He, to me, IMO, was way too old. And that costume...awful. I think Ted Jan Roberts should have been Robin, he had the look, the karate know how, and was young. They also talked about the kid from SALEM'S LOT 2.

    Another question would be: which costume? More on that later.

    The most important question: Batman? Is he alive in this show? Does he help Robin from time to time? Or does and Robin have a fight/rift where they do not talk? Or is Batman dead? Or is Batman believed to be dead? Is he lost in time and space, somewhere or in some other dimension with SUperman, lost? Or what? If you have Batman aiding Robin all the time,what kind of show would that be?

    No, RObin on his own is much more interesting in many respects.

    Another question: which Robin? Tim Drake? Dick Grayson? Jason Todd--before his death or after his death or would there even have been a death if set in an alt universe?

    So you see, it can get complicated. For me, I would say take Robin when he was least complicated, make him be Dick Grayson and take a leap of faith and cast him as a 12 or 13 year old.

    This would bring one to have to decide the tone of the show. Dilemma time: Robin is a kid and in a kid's comic or a comic...does the show maintain the dakrness of the original comics, the DARK KNIGHT flavor of 1980s grimness, death, blood, guts, etc...is Robin a killer? No, he's not. BUt what would the content of the show be? ANd if children would be watching...THIS HAS NOT STOPPED RUSSELL T DAVIES...do we add VERY small hints or bits of sexual content and violence?

    So all of these things would seem to be where creators might throw up their hands and give up on any Robin concept.

    A few years ago GRAYSON, a fan made and well made preview of a script, has Robin as an adult trying to avenge the supposed death of Batman. While the preview looked great, the script, available on line, is a bit...I dunno, rough draft maybe. I prefer the quipping, pun making, fear inducing Robin, the lighter side of the Dynamic Duo with as much punch as possible. I also would love to see his personal life, school, friends, girls, search for parents, relationship to Alfred, etc and maybe to new characters ala SMALLVILLE.

    What does everyone think or am I the only one who thinks this strangely?

    For me though ROBIN and NIGHTWING are two excellent comics as is BATMAN AND ROBIN. I just think bringing these to life would be a great thing if done correctly.

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     Thursday, April 24 2008 @ 08:39 PM EDT
    The problem with Robin is that it's a title, not a person. Thus when you speak of Robin, who are you talking about? Tim Drake? Jason Todd? Stephanie Brown? No, most people are probably talking about Dick Grayson, followed in second place by the identity-less Robin featured in The Teen Titans animated series. In other words, there's a big mis-fit between the casual audience and the comic fan audience. He's a poison pill as a solo character, cause you've got to pick one of these versions to concentrate on. And whatever choice you make, you've just disappointed a portion of your audience.

    But even if you went for classic Dick Grayson, you're still quite tied to Batman. You can't get away from the side-kick nature of the character. Even the adult Grayson as Nightwing is still indelibly linked to Bruce Wayne. Legal guardian and all. And the basic legend of Nightwing depends upon rebellion away from Batman.

    My point is, there's no way to start the story of Robin without Batman. And that's not gonna happen in the current climate at Warner, cause they have very specific plans for Batman. Now, maybe, sometime in the next ten years or so, maybe Robin will come to the big screen franchise. And at that point, it's possible, I suppose, that they might create a compelling enough version of Robin that he could be spun off. But it all depends on the Batman film franchise. Period.

    And the question is, with all their plans for the other DC characters, now that technology will finally allow them to be realistically created on screen, why would they bother with a second-rate version of Batman? It just doesn't seem like a reasonable use of resources to spend millions on a duplicate version of the same character.

    I would also contest your assertion that Nightwing and the solo Robin titles are all that good. They're diverting, somewhat dependable titles over 100 issues each, but they're hardly lighting the DCU on fire. Their greatest utility, it seems to me, is to give up-and-coming artists a reliable title on which to stretch their creative muscles for a while. They're not the kinda gig that Grant Morrison or Jeph Loeb would take. One of the funniest reviews I've read in a long time said that one of the best issues of Robin in a recent story arc was the one he wasn't in.

    "I think of myself as ambitious in casting terms, and I know that Bonnie [Langford] has the potential to make the part totally unirritating . . ." JNT, 1986
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     Friday, April 25 2008 @ 04:27 AM EDT
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    Recently the only truly good DC comics are the ones with Robin and Nightwing either solo or with others.


    I can't really agree with that quote Chase (but I've gotta go to work and I've not got much time!)

    In essence; the current version of Jonah Hex is up to issue 30 and it's just been an absolute joy.

    Dini's (current) Detective run has in many cases given us a solo Batman, and each new issue excites me.

    & what Darth said about Morrison or Loeb is true too.

    Nothing dies of old age on Skaro!
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     Friday, April 25 2008 @ 06:41 AM EDT
    I would like to see this, only for him to shout 'Lets go' and then notice he's on his own! The little weed! Wink

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     Saturday, April 26 2008 @ 04:02 PM EDT
    Uhm, yeah. I can see that some of the stories in some of the DC comics are okay but if that happens, usually I don't care a bit about the characters at all. The reverse happens too. There are many characters I enjoy but then I read the titles these characters are in and I find them flat and boring. For me, both ROBIN and NIGHTWING at least tell a story, with action and some emotional current with likable characters who have problems. OTher DC titles such as the gimmicky COUNTDOWN do little to intrigue me. THe whole SUperman epic with all these other characters does little to engage me. And don't get me started on Marvel: their stories and characters do nothing for me (but I did enjoy RUNAWAYS when it first started) but then again I'm not your usual comic fan.

    I just find Robin so much more interesting than Batman, perhaps because there has been so much of Batman that I"m bored with him. I also think there should be some superheroes who are as young as Robin was when he first appeared...but I can see most people here think that's not viable.

    I also think if Robin were to be done correctly, he'd have to be totally separated from Batman in his own show. In the movies, I doubt they'll ever get Robin right...they barely get Batman and SUperman right.

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