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doogie448
Registered: 12/09/07
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Ok, I understand that gallifrey is gone, but when the Doctor was talking to Davros, I kept wondering about Skaro. Did it burn too? I don't know if I missed it when they were talking or if it had been address earlier (or if they are saving it for the future.)
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tarashnat
Registered: 08/17/05
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| Wednesday, July 02 2008 @ 12:55 PM EDT |
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The Seventh Doctor destroyed Skaro in Remembrance of the Daleks, but it was back for the movie...
I think the assumption is that Skaro burned, but I do not recall any dialog specifically stating as much. |
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DrWho001
Registered: 06/05/07
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| Wednesday, July 02 2008 @ 06:26 PM EDT |
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I just always presumed that Skaro in the TV Movie was prior to destruction in Rememberance. Rather than a lets forget it was destroyed.
However if you take the books to be part of cannon:
In the Eighth Doctor Adventures novel War of the Daleks by John Peel it is revealed that Skaro had not in fact been destroyed by the Seventh Doctor's actions.
The Daleks, via time travel, discover records that show Skaro's destruction. After an attempt to change history (in Day of the Daleks) is unsuccessful, they terraform the planet Antalin to resemble Skaro and manipulate Davros and the Doctor into ensuring that Antalin was destroyed in the original's place. |
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DarthSkeptical
Registered: 03/11/06
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| Wednesday, July 02 2008 @ 11:43 PM EDT |
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Heh, I just always assumed that, as a Seventh Doctor story, "Remembrance" wasn't canonical. (Apologies to those 15 of you out there who actually saw it in its original run.  ) |
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Sabalon
Registered: 09/19/06
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| Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:19 AM EDT |
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| [Quote by: DarthSkeptical] Heh, I just always assumed that, as a Seventh Doctor story, "Remembrance" wasn't canonical. (Apologies to those 15 of you out there who actually saw it in its original run. ) |
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Ouch. That also made me feel old. Mind you, not as old as certain people who have been watching since day 1 - looking Dave's way |
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old china
Registered: 06/07/06
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| Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 08:41 AM EDT |
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| [Quote by: Sabalon] Ouch. That also made me feel old. Mind you, not as old as certain people who have been watching since day 1 - looking Dave's way |
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And Stephen Fry. Listen to his latest Podgram to hear his memories of watching the first episode as a boy. He mentions it about five minutes in.
For what it's worth I always assume anything on tv is canon (except Dimensions in Time and the tv movie claiming the Doctor is half human) and anything in any other media might be canon until it's contradicted by the tv.
Talking of the Time War, I like the way RTD has incredibly prosaic names for everything to do with it, such as The Silver Devastation or The Nightmare Child.
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Sabalon
Registered: 09/19/06
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| Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:11 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: old china] [
For what it's worth I always assume anything on tv is canon (except Dimensions in Time and the tv movie claiming the Doctor is half human) and anything in any other media might be canon until it's contradicted by the tv. |
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However, in Family of Blood, in the diary that is being kept, we see a very obvious indication of Paul McGann's Doctor. So to me that makes the movie canonish.
I tried to just take that quote as a problem with the regeneration making him a bit nuts, but then later the Master mentions it as well. So now I take the half-human as something along the lines of The Master and Davros being killed in several appearances, etc... It was a mistake and a trick or something like that. Or perhaps his mother was not a timelord and the work Human on Gallifrey is used to describe those living outside the citadel. Yeah---that's it, they just cut that scene from the movie |
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old china
Registered: 06/07/06
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| Thursday, July 03 2008 @ 10:36 AM EDT |
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[Quote by: Sabalon] However, in Family of Blood, in the diary that is being kept, we see a very obvious indication of Paul McGann's Doctor. So to me that makes the movie canonish.
I tried to just take that quote as a problem with the regeneration making him a bit nuts, but then later the Master mentions it as well. So now I take the half-human as something along the lines of The Master and Davros being killed in several appearances, etc... It was a mistake and a trick or something like that. Or perhaps his mother was not a timelord and the work Human on Gallifrey is used to describe those living outside the citadel. Yeah---that's it, they just cut that scene from the movie |
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Sorry, my fault. I meant to say that I take the tv movie as Canon just not the quote on being half human. As you say, it was an error or mis-understanding. Or a subsequent editing out altogether! |
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Louis
Registered: 01/01/04
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| Monday, August 11 2008 @ 10:44 PM EDT |
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[Quote by: old china]
Sorry, my fault. I meant to say that I take the tv movie as Canon just not the quote on being half human. As you say, it was an error or mis-understanding. Or a subsequent editing out altogether! |
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Yep, a damaged timeline that has been subsequently rectified.
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Idiom
Registered: 04/08/08
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| Wednesday, August 13 2008 @ 10:55 AM EDT |
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Controversial, I know, but doesn't the Doctor's being half-human actually explain one major problem that exists with the 'logic' of the series. namely, with all time and space to choose from why does he keep ending up on Earth?
Just a suggestion so take it easy on me and don't all race at once to rip into it! |
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